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Originally posted by sunnydays on March 09, 2026 15:17

I'm really torn on the matter of what the international community could or should have done to stop the Khmer Rouge. I feel like they should have done something, especially knowing how much they ignored as an excuse to do nothing. In the third excerpt we read from 'A Problem from Hell', Twining, who was stationed at the Cambodian border, mentions that someone told him that the Cambodian refugees practiced their stories before sharing them to make them sound as tragic as possible. This is appalling, as is the international community's inaction in the face of obvious genocide. It's also mentioned that "with the country sealed tight, statesmen and citizens could take shelter in the fog of plausible deniability," so it's obvious the US and other governments didn't do anything because it was inconvenient to use resources and interfere when they don't have any self-serving reason to do so.

However, I'm torn because US intervention rarely works. I feel like this was mentioned in one of the excerpts, too. The war in Vietnam was a glaring recent reminder of how ineffective US intervention can be and how much worse it can make the situation. If the US had sent troops into Cambodia, what would have happened? Would it have been another brutal war? I think this is a fair concern, but I do know that the US government had the wrong reasons for its inaction.

This shows another core problem with humanity and the systems we have established. Similar to how communism makes sense in theory but is ineffective in practice due to human greed, US intervention makes sense in theory but most likely would not have worked in practice due to human aggression. The first - and, honestly, only - form of intervention the US government considered was sending troops to fight the Khmer Rouge. In terms of humanitarian aid, they passed the task to Amnesty International, not even considering using US resources on helping refugees. I think that if the strongest countries in the world had better aid programs set up, and that they focused on helping refugees and providing enough food instead of just shooting the enemies, intervention could have worked.

However, if US troops had tried to get into Cambodia, likely the Khmer Rouge would have shot first, and force would have been needed to take the country back. So that begs the question, what could the international community have done? Obviously, Vietnam's invasion successfully deposed the KR, but many people died in the process and Cambodia ended up under foreign rule for a while.

I think the main thing the international community should have done was acted earlier. The Cambodian people deserved the chance to figure out their own way of life after colonialism, even if they chose communism. But once the country closed its borders off, that should have been a sign that they had something to hide, and investigations should have been done (and refugees should have been trusted) to confirm the mass murder and atrocities that were being committed and do something to prevent them.

I do think national sovereignty should be overridden if it is causing the mass suffering (and especially mass death) of citizens. However, as I previously mentioned, I'm not sure what the best way to do that is without resulting in more death and completely destabilizing the country's economy. I think the UN should work on putting a system in place specifically for scenarios in which a regime should be overthrown: one that will take care of the citizens and not start an all-out war.

The most compelling idea in the post of “sunnydays” was the lack of intervention from the international community on the part of the Cambodian genocide. “Sunnydays” uses Powers’s book A Problem From Hell to illustrate how Twining’s knowledge of the Khmer Rouge is appalling. I agree with this idea because much of the UN and the United States knew of the events in Cambodia and chose not to televise it nationally or acknowledge it as an urgent matter. The UN passed the problem onto Amnesty International without considering the use of global superpowers and their resources. Similar to my post, I illustrated the fundamental problem with the Khmer Rouge’s implementation of communism. In a way this contrasts this fundamental problem by also illustrating the problem with the environment around the genocide. Hypothetically, if such a heinous crime like genocide was committed but there is not an adequate source of help to prevent that genocide then there is no structure to stop such events. National sovereignty being overridden is another key topic in my peer’s post and I also agree. I think there needs to be an ethical line where national sovereignty should have a right to intervene. Genocides are wrong in any environment and the lack of use to stop such events needs to be addressed more in the international committee.

The Khmer Rouge was a violent communist regime that ruled Cambodia from 1975 to 1979 that resulted in the death of around two millions innocent Cambodians through starvation, murder, and intense work. The leader of the regime was Pol Pot. The Khmer Rouge wanted to turn Cambodia into an agrarian communist society that was isolated from Western influence and eliminated social classes. They specifically targeted intellectuals, professionals, minorities, people who were involved with Lon Nol or the previous government, and anyone who opposed the regime. Several fundamental problems existed in the Khmer Rouge’s ideology and plan. The worst problem was the dehumanization of victims and the unrealistic classless society. They wanted to get rid of any aspects of modern society by eliminating cities, religion, private property, money, and emptying out homes in the city. Millions of people worked long hours with little food and died from starvation and disease. By doing these things, the Khmer Rouge destroyed the country’s food supply and economy. Furthermore, the regime was overly paranoid and had a large fear of traitors. They created an intense environment of fear and paranoia that led to systematic killing. These policies and actions show that the destruction in Cambodia was not just because of the communist ideology itself, but rather the extreme, violent tactics of the Khmer Rouge that were implemented. Many other governments considered communist did not go through such violent and mass killings that the Khmer Rouge did. The amount of damage caused by the Khmer Rouge regime was so intense that even after the regime was overthrown, hundreds of thousands of refugees remained in refugee camps for many years. Furthermore, there was little support from foreign countries. The Khmer Rouge also brought about questions about how societies should effectively pursue change. Throughout history, wars and revolutions have been the most justified option to create a better future. However, I think that the situation in Cambodia demonstrates the dehumanizing and negative aspects of violence as justification for the pursuit of change. The leaders of the Khmer Rouge dehumanized the victims of Cambodia by starving them, separating them from family members, and forcing them to do hard and tiring manual work for long periods of time. The victims were severely suffering, slowly indicating that the regime’s tactics were making society worse rather than better. In the article titled “The Rise and Fall of Democratic Kampuchea” by the Association for Asian Studies (AAS), it states that “people in Cambodia were only slowly recovering without substantial international aid”. Finally, I strongly believe that the international community should have done much more to reduce the suffering in Cambodia between 1975 and 1979. During this time period, global issues were prevalent which complicated the situation in Cambodia. Many countries did not understand the full extent and scale of the atrocities until after it ended because Cambodia was isolated from the rest of the world. Even as evidence of the atrocities from stories from victims were being spread, many governments were still hesitant to act. I think more support for refugees and more intervention would have been beneficial. There was not enough international pressure for foreign countries to intervene or challenge the regime while the crimes were taking place.

My peers' response was quite similar to my own. We both agree that the Khmer Rouge and the ideology they violently enforced, was nothing short of disturbing. The idea of making people all the exact same, was executed in an awful way. The attempt to strip individuals of all individualism is simply fatal. With the lack of personal items alone, physical and mental health are at risk. As well as the additional factors of no education, safety, food, work, education, and more, their society was deadly. It was almost impossible and so unrealistic to survive those conditions. Defining the ethics and morality of the Khmer Rouge is incredibly difficult. The situation involves so much long standing historical conflict and modern day politics, in addition to the fact that morals are subjective, the question is an impossible one. This author agreed with this idea to an extent but I think I am slightly more extremist in this regard. They viewed the situation with distaste with the US government because they did not step in. I wish the US could have stepped in, however I understand more why they chose not too. Governments have an obligation to act for their own people.

Originally posted by flower123 on March 09, 2026 08:32

The Khmer Rouge's ideology around everyone being equal, is incredibly unrealistic given today's society. All populations at this point in time are developed with unique education, technology, personal items, and individualism. Stripping people of basic rights, physicalities, safety, and more is incredibly unethical and there is no justification. Their community failed because it forced people to live an entirely dystopian life. When it comes to international intervention, I have complex opinions. I understand why it would not make sense from a political stand point for the US to not get involved, however the horror is in the lack of humanitarian value. Being complicit and aware of the atrocities that are happening is frankly disgusting. However, is it fair for the US to constantly be expending their resources and soldiers' lives for a nation that would cause complex problems for us and with no benefit to their own nation. It is most definitely selfish, but are governments not called to act in the best interest of their own people. How responsible are governments for other nations? I think in Cambodia the line was most definitely crossed, but even still how would they approach preventative or remedial action? I think expectations of governments to intervene are quite unrealistic. Issues are extremely more complicated then it seems and as people would hope. I think the most complicated layer of this issue is the fact that the ethical line needs to be drawn somewhere before intervention is necessary. If they act too early before it's direly needed, resources could have been wasted but if they let the conflict go on to the point where intervention is beyond necessary, a lot of damage has already been done and it will be harder for a government to make legitimate progress. Therefore, it starts to become less and less “worth it” to step in if they know they won't be able to accomplish a lot and so many lives have already been lost it can be considered too late. Another point that is important to recognize is why would only the US be the point person needing to help. There are other global powers that could have stepped in but people only expect the US too. Beyond that, nations would not even need to be a global power to have an impact on a society in that state. Cambodia at this time was undergoing intense destruction. If any nations deployed basic amenities, it could have been a pivotal point and let citizens escape. There are strategies and actions that surrounding governments could have gone through with, but the US ended up being to blame for not making progress. In regards to who would be to blame for the genocide itself and holding individuals accountable, I think it makes sense for all higher-ups and masters of manipulation to be held accountable. They are the orchestrators of the whole affair and deserve to pay for their disturbing actions. All in all, I think there is no clear answer in regards to morals and ethics and defining one in a situation that is this extreme and took the lives of so many, is insensitive.

The most interesting idea presented in this post is the idea of the intervention threshold and the catch 22 that comes with it: that intervening too early is a waste of resources, and intervening too late is pointless. This is one of the most difficult problems facing international relations and what the “right thing” to do is in each specific and unique case, and is directly applicable to the actual history and development of the responsibility to protect doctrine, which was formally adopted by the UN in 2005 precisely because the global community had to face the challenge of what to do about humanitarian intervention. While this post is excellent and I largely agree with the framing of the intervention threshold, I think there are some other ways to further develop the argument. The responsibility to protect doctrine for example does not advocate for military intervention at all, instead there are other measures that can be taken before intervention is even considered. While the point of the US being unfairly targeted is valid and this is speaking to a larger issue, it is also worth noting that Vietnam was the country that in the end stopped the KR rule in 1979 and not the US.

Originally posted by believerchalkboardcomputer on March 11, 2026 11:07

Many parts of the Khmer Rouge’s plan to rebuild Cambodia was fundamentally flawed from the start. The plan to move people from the cities to the countryside as seen in First They Killed My Father was chaotic and unorganized. The plan to reorganize society back to year 0 with anti-intellectualism would eventually leave no one to run the country or create innovations because of the targeting of educated/intellectuals. Also, leaders in the Khmer Rouge were paranoid of internal enemies. As said by Sok Udom Deth in “The Rise and Fall of Democratic Kampuchea”, the leaders were afraid of a revolt and “DK leaders suspected that the Eastern Zone cadres were siding with the Vietnamese. They were accused of having kbal yuon kluon khmer (Khmer bodies with Vietnamese heads). Pol Pot ordered a series of executions of the Eastern Zone cadres, many of whom were also brought to S-21”. The degree of paranoia would eventually lead to the party destroying itself. Like any other economic system, communism works better in theory than in practice because it needs specific human behavior that is not possible in most cases. Communist ideology in theory aims to create a classless, stateless society with equal ownership. In practice, this is impossible on the scale of a country, and in places like China and the Soviet Union the government controlled resources which inherently created inequality because of the presence of a government with immense power. The kind of communism used by the Khmer Rouge used some parts of this communist ideology, but was twisted and taken to the extreme. Originally, communism as thought of by Karl Marx would have been a part of an industrial society, not an agricultural one.

Despite the many early warning signs, the international community failed to respond. In A Problem from Hell: America in the Age of Genocide its stated that many of the refugees coming to the reporters had similiar stories and were supported by the observations of service officers and other officials. Actions that could have been taken by the international community are diplomatic pressure and condemnation. By calling out the Khmer Rouge’s crimes, it could have made the regime look less legitimate, led to less support, and created more defections. However, the lack of acknowledgement led to the regime being emboldened to act as it looked like nobody would stop them. Also, supporting the journalists, officials, and refugees sharing the stories coming out of Cambodia could have lessened the uncertainty of events in the area, making undeniable evidence of the crimes being committed and creating more pressure on the Khmer Rouge. The UN should have also supported Vietnam’s action against Cambodia, as the UN Genocide Convention specifically calls for countries to intervene to prevent or stop a genocide. Instead Vietnam was condemned and called to withdraw, which led to less resistance against the Khmer Rouge.

While international sovereignty is important, it should be overridden in cases of genocide or other large crimes that goes beyond a country’s power to stop it. I also believe it should be the last resort if diplomatic, economic, or political pressure does not work.

I think that this essay presents a thoughtful argument about the relationship between communism and the Cambodian genocide, and I agree with many of the point that are being made. Particularly, the idea that the regime's actions were less about communism itself and more about their extreme interpretation of it caught my attention. Rouge’s Radical agragarianism completely differs from traditional Marxist ideology. As this person points out, Marxism often focuses on industrial workers controlling production instead of executive heads that manage the work, while the Khmer Rouge rejected industrialization entirely and forced people into agricultural labor. They established societal advancement, technology, and intellectualism as the root of injustice and economic inequality within Cambodia. This difference demonstrates that the regime was not simply following communist theory but creating its own rigid punitive system. I also agree with the discussion about the contradiction between the idea of classless society and the way the Khmer Rouge treated different groups of people. The distinction between “ base people” and “city people” clearly created a hierarchy that favored some groups over others. This system directly contradcist the central communist goal of eliminating class divisions. The connection to First They Killed My Father is valid because it provides a concrete example of how Khmer Rouge members lived with more privilege than the people they controlled. It also provided how the Khmer Rouge forced people to work extremely hard while providing barely enough food to survive. Society built on suffering can’t never be considered a better alternative. This idea raised the question of the moral legitimacy of the regime and radical political change as a whole. Can people truly differenciate between radical change and revolution in hopes of a positive outcome?

Originally posted by PeanutButterBoy on March 10, 2026 20:40

The Khmer Rouge’s ideology and the way that they carried out their plan destroyed the villages in Cambodia and killed around 2 million people. Their plans, like restarting their country from Year 0, forcing their people to leave their homes, and murdering Cambodians, contributed the most to the destruction of individuals and the country as a whole. Yet the consequences of Khmer Rouge are not unique, and instead demonstrates how communism is inherently flawed. The issues of communism are just enhanced because of the violence that Khmer Rouge brought to it's own people in Cambodia. I don’t believe that communism works at any stage, because there is never true equality. I don’t think that everyone will put in the same amount of effort and will get the same amount out of it. The Khmer Rouge had many similar strategies to other communist groups, and they were only able to implement their plans because of the environment and confusion caused by the wars around them. I don’t think that there were any problems in Khmer Rouge’s plan, I think that they planned to murder people and wanted to bring mass casualty. This was part of their belief in eradicating educated, western ideas that they saw as corrupting their country. In a classified report written in “A Problem From Hell”, Kenneth Quinn wrote about Khmer Rouge attacks on religion using terror to force their authority. He highlights how they forced people to leave their homes to live in collectivized living communities to enforce the communist values on the people. He mentions how they separated families and murdered anyone who disobeyed. There was a clear plan put in place, and to suggest that something went wrong or the deaths were unintentional is disrespectful to the millions who were murdered. Khmer Rouge is a prime example about how mass suffering can’t bring about good change to a country or group. I think suffering can, in some instances, bring about positive change, but that depends on how harsh the suffering is, and short term improvements made to the people of that area. I think when a society takes a turn for the worse, just like Cambodia under Khmer Rouge, neighboring areas have a duty to prevent more negative impacts. I don’t believe that the US should involve themselves directly in conflicts like these, but instead fund another country’s fight against the conflict. Inaction is a common theme not just in America, but across the globe. If we are expected to stop tragedy and evil from happening, there needs to be more action by the international community to protect innocent people. Samantha Power specifically addresses the United States’ proven inability to solve conflicts or correctly involve themselves when problems arise. She focuses on how the US has ignored genocides and mass killings so as to keep themselves clean. She mentions the Holocaust, The Armenian genocide, Saddam Husein, and Pol Pot. The responsibility often gets passed off to a country that has less to lose, in this instance Vietnam, but then the backlash comes back to help break down another country. After KR and the Cambodian genocide, Vietnam entered into Cambodia and destroyed the KR. Vietnam ended up facing consequences for this, and their country suffered even more after the Vietnam War because they lacked support and encouragement for their involvement in overthrowing Khmer Rouge. There needs to be a united front against genocide and crimes against humanity, or there will continue to be a cycle of limited responsibility and innocent lives harmed.

Great response, although I do disagree that the Khmer Rouge emphasized that communism is inherently flawed as I believe the violence that the Khmer Rouge brought against its own people could have happened under any ideologies. Ideologies can all become dangerous when approached from a corrupt and utopian hungry stand point. I think your last point is very strong and I agree. I think that people hesitated to intervene with mass genocides like this because it comes at the cost of their own country and the risk of that backlash seems not worth it. But, if countries actually unified against genocide instead of playing chicken there would be less of a chance for these genocides to happen.

Originally posted by D5 Athlete on March 10, 2026 07:49

The rule of Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia from 1975 to 1979 caused the deaths of nearly 2,000,000 people and is one of the most devastating examples of extremism and modern history. The destruction that occurred during this period raised important questions about the flaws in the KR’s ideology and the responsibility of the international community when mass suffering occurs. One fundamental problem with the KR’s ideology was its extreme and unrealistic vision of a completely agrarian communist society. Inspired by radical interpretations of communism, the leadership believed that cities, markets, education, and modern institutions were corrupting influences that needed to be eliminated. According to the rise and fall of democratic Kampuchea, the KR attempted to reset Cambodian society to “year zero", forcing millions of people out of cities and into rural labor camps. Professionals, teachers, and anyone associated with the former government or intellectual life reviewed as enemies of the revolution. This radical attempt to erase the past ignored basic human needs, and social realities. Instead of creating quality, it led to widespread famine, forced labor, and mass executions. However, the atrocities committed by the KR do not necessarily prove that communism inevitably leads to such outcomes. They highlight how dangerous authoritarian leadership can be combined with absolute power. The KR interpreted communist ideas in an extreme and violent way, prioritizing ideological purity over human life. Their policies were enforced through fear and brutality, leaving no room for dissent or correction when their system clearly began causing widespread suffering. In this sense, the tragedy in Cambodia demonstrates how any political ideology if implemented without regard for human rights can become destructive. Another important issue raised by the Cambodian genocide is the ethical question of how much suffering can be justified in the pursuit of social change. Throughout history, revolutions have often involved violence, and many leaders argue that temporary hardship is necessary to build a better society. However, Cambodia, under the KR shows how easily this reasoning can spiral into cruelty. Millions of people are dying from starvation, overwork, or execution, it becomes clear that the revolution has lost its moral legitimacy. Ethical movements for a change must set limits on the means that they are willing to use. If the pursuit of a better society destroys the well-being of the people it claims to serve then the movement has fundamentally failed. The international community also bears some responsibility for the scale of suffering that occurred in Cambodia. In a problem from hell, it is explained that governments around the world had limited information about what was happening inside the isolated country, but they also chose not to act even when evidence of atrocities began to emerge. Political complications from the Vietnam war and Cold War rivalries made many countries reluctant to intervene. It argues that policy makers frequently dismissed early reports of mass killings, or treated them with skepticism, which delayed international attention to the crisis. In theory, the international community has a more responsibility to intervene when governments are committing mass atrocities against their own citizens. National sovereignty is important, but it should not serve as a shield for genocide or crimes against humanity. In Cambodia‘s case, stronger international pressure, humanitarian aid, efforts, or coordinated diplomatic action might have helped expose the abuse earlier and potentially saved lives.

I think the most compelling part of your post is that KR actually did more harm than good for Cambodia. I do agree with your statement because the KR made many in Cambodia leave home and become overworked, just so everyone could become more equal. I think that this was interesting because it creates the idea of “how much suffering should be involved with creating a society with no hierarchy?". I think it was also interesting how you mentioned the KR also discriminated against anyone who had higher education was a big reason why they wanted equality. I think that my views on the topic are pretty similar to yours. The KR was already set up to have higher power because they started their rise post war in Cambodia. When you stated, “Ethical movements for a change must set limits on the means that they are willing to use. If the pursuit of a better society destroys the well-being of the people it claims to serve then the movement has fundamentally failed”, it indicates that if ideology becomes bigger or more prioritized than human life and decency, it can result in tragedy. With the KR being in charge they cause even more people to be relocated, forced laborers, and become malnourished, which causes many people to die.