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Vonnegut123
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 5

Reflection on Just War Theory


In the article “Between Peace and War” the writers highlight how nationalism bound people differentiated by ethnicity, class and political party. In an excerpt from the German Social Democratic Party after the declaration of war on Russia in 1914, they declare, “Now we must face the inexorable fact of war. The horror of hostile invasion threatens us…to erase their [the endaraged or injured by war] inestimable suffering–we consider this our urgent duty,”(page 1). Thus the people, who were against war, turned into supporters of what was in their opinion, a just war. However, many of these people would end up dying and killing in what was relatively pointless conflict.


The first excerpt from Encyclopedia of Philosophy deals with Jus ad Bellum, the rules outlying what allows a war to be permissible. The generally agreed upon principles are that war: is a last resort, has a just cause, is declared by an authority, has a reasonable chance of succeeding, is only carried with good intent, and that parties use means proportional to what would be gained. States convinced the populace that they were following these yet to be enshrined principles. As said in class, most nations in WWI believed that the war would be quick, decisive and not excessively damaging.This is just one example of how soldiers are reassured of their conduct.


The second excerpt begs the question of what it means to be a target and what counts as a proportional target. It thus introduces “consequentialists” – those who believe that if an immoral action has a long lasting benefit it can be justified– and “intrinsicist”– who believe that an immoral action is simply wrong. Militaries often employ consequentialist policies such as destroying roads, power networks, the internet, or buildings housing arms despite civilian death because of the fact that the action would shorten long term suffering. In some cases soldiers might be forced into such actions but I believe that people try or should try to avoid such actions unless it is necessary.


I personally think McMahan’s idea is a bit restricting. Soldiers who try to abide by just rules despite their situation should be hoped for. Additionally the Encyclopedia of Philosophy debates who is defined as a participant, “if they are culpable in giving moral, financial, or economic support to some extent does that mean they may become legitimate targets?” (page 2). In relation to McMahan’s point, perhaps this means that soldiers and those less directly involved should strive to be just and take into account the best course of action– something in the greyspace between consequentialism and intrinsicism. I hope that people, soldiers, leaders and others can act honorably in war regardless of the justness of their cause and follow guidelines that limit destruction. Especially in the 21st century, when nuclear weapons are ever looming, a mutual acknowledgement and agreement ought to be abided by. Treaties in writing are harder to break than thoughts so hopefully these rules also aid soldiers in acting morally. However I am not really sure because, well I have no idea what soldiers are taught.
Kvara77goat
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 5

Reflections On Just War Theory

As with anything, war and ethics in war are extremely complicated to evaluate. Although it is almost always in the best interests of the world to fight and prevent war, there may be a few special cases and exceptions in which war may be justified and even necessary. Although I would like to agree with the intrinsicism model, because in a perfect world war is always wrong, the real world forces us to challenge that notion. Therefore, I consider myself more of a consequentialist, and certainly believe it is the most realistic for our current world.

An example that comes to mind is Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The Ukrainians were being threatened with death, as well as the loss of their homeland, culture, and natural resources. As a matter of self defense, they were almost required to fight back against the Russians, since they had no other alternative. The model of intrinsicism would suggest that the Ukrainians must not fight back because war is wrong, and they would see their country destroyed. However, the Ukrainians made a brave and unified decision, because they decided to protect their country even though they knew it would be a great risk not only to them but their families as well. As we know, war also has many moral and ethical conflicts entangled within it– after all, humans kill other humans in war. Many everyday Ukrainians had to grapple with the tough decision to fight even though they knew that killing someone may be something they had to do.

Considering this example and the fact that more is almost always morally wrong, I believe the just war theory constitutes a fair and just bridge between the consequentialist model and the intrinsicism model. After all, war should only be waged in very special circumstances. There was no reason for Russia to wage war on Ukraine other than greed and their self-conceived ideological superiority. Thus, following the just war theory, they would not wage war, since it did not fit all six categories that declare a war “just”.

The just war theory states that proportionality is necessary in war. The Encyclopedia of Philosophy states, “Proportionality for Jus in Bello involves tempering the extent and violence of warfare to minimize destruction and casualties”. To me, this point is extremely important since in war, moderation and proportionality are interesting and were only briefly mentioned in the Jus In Bello excerpts. For example, no matter how just the cause, it is never reasonable to bomb an entire city with the intent of killing every single civilian there; it would be more appropriate to bomb, say, an arms factory used for creating nuclear weapons which were destroying your towns. In order to de-escalate conflicts, and not re-escalate them, proportionality is the most important factor.

Jumping to conscientious objectors–to me, conscientious objectors are some of the most brave people. Although it seems like the easy way out, the societal shaming and punishment brought about from being a conscientious objector are (often) typically worse than the dangers and risks faced going out to war. Being a conscientious objector doesn’t arise from a fear of going to war– the word “conscientious” proves that it is a conscious and thorough decision to not fight, and that they have thought out the consequences of war. I have even more respect for those who refuse to fight for an unjust cause–for example, Russians not willing to do Putin’s bidding. I believe those people are doing the right thing, whereas I believe that people who choose not to fight for a just cause may be doing the right thing for them, but not objectively the right thing.

make_art_not_war
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 5

Reflections on Just War Theory

In the modern day large scale organized violence has allowed humans to become detached from the destructive acts that they commit on society. In the past war was much more personal, often requiring physical contact with the opponent in order to kill the enemy. However industrial society has taken warfare to another lever with mechanization causing distance between the two warring parties. While many people would like to believe that they always embody the better angels of our nature and intrinsicism values, most of the time, as a result of modern society and large scale warfare, we are required to embrace our consequentialist selves too. The Just War Theory and jus ad bellum aim to combine these two models of thinking. For example, one criteria for a “just war” is good intentions. In the excerpt from the Encyclopedia of Philosophy on Just War Theory, it is explained that good intentions can result as a desire to maintain peace for both parties involved, reflecting intrinsicism, however “such a war may justly be deemed too expensive or too difficult to wage; i.e., it is not ultimately in their self-interest to fight the just war,” reflecting the utilitarian nature of consequentialist values that also shape the just war theory.

While it is important to consider the will of the people in making greatly impactful decisions such as initiating, provoking, or joining a war it is also important to recognize that if all citizens decide to abide by their personal moral compass the effects of war would be amplified. If a large number of citizens do not support the war effort of their country, this could not only lead to civil unrest within the state but also a prolonged war as leaders would not have the support emotionally or physically from their own people. I believe that it is courageous to not fight in defense of your nation because you still have the opportunity to be patriotic as your morals do not necessarily have to align with the actions of the leader of a state. It is also courageous in the sense that you are rejecting conformity and going against what is most likely the majority that supports the war with the risk of losing your livelihood and your future. On that topic it is not however cowardice for someone to fight in a war that they believe is morally wrong because they are often faced with the difficult consequences, as mentioned above, of going against leadership.

I do believe that despite the fact that a soldier might participate in a war that they believe is morally wrong or unjustifiably by the standards of the Just War Theory they can still conduct themselves honorably on the battlefield. This can be done by following rules of war as outlined in jus in bello and in other places, namely the Geneva conventions. Jus in bello and the Geneva conventions assist soldiers to act morally by creating explicit guidelines for war which make the line that distinguishes morality of war a bit less blurry. By setting specific rules such as the protection of civilians or prohibition of attacks on organizations such as the red cross soldiers can have some reassurance that they are not acting in a way that is completely unjustifiable by any standard. Keeping this in mind it is also important to note that these rules do not completely prevent war crimes from happening but they do decrease their amount.

watershipdown
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 5

Learn to Question Post: Reflections on Just War Theory

When a nation wages war for any reason, its citizens are ultimately faced with the decision to either participate or not participate in war efforts. From campaigning for funds or fighting on the ground in a military unit, one’s reasoning to not participate might range from something as simple as not wanting to risk your life for a cause you’re not a hundred percent passionate about or completely behind or to a more complex and personal decision where one must decide if they can live with their participation in their country’s unjust war efforts when those efforts greatly contradict every religious or moral belief that they hold to be true.

Regardless of one’s reasoning, it takes courage to stand firm in what you believe in and to not succumb to societal and political pressures that tell you to just fight for a cause because it’s one your nation or government supports. Therefore, I believe it's more cowardice to fight for something you don’t believe in in the name of patriotism or nationalism alone and much more courageous to make the active choice to not fight a war when you believe that the reasons and outcomes of said war are unjust.

However, obviously other people have different perspectives and opinions on the courageousness of this stance, like one anonymous British man who criticized conscientious objectors as “an extreme individualist with little sense of the solidarity of mankind.” And while I understand where he is coming from, I personally believe that solidarity in mankind and community with others is sometimes strengthened by an opposition to war. Whether a war is classified as just or unjust, at the end of the day, war ultimately serves as a factor that divides people into “us” versus “them.” This division makes it easier for us to overlook the connection and solidarity that we all have with one another as human beings first and foremost and not just members of an ethnic group or nation. Furthermore, one’s solidarity of mankind can easily accompany one’s opposition to fight in a war because in doing so, you recognize the humanity in every person a part of a war effort, not just the people who are considered to be on your “side.”

While already a courageous act, it takes even more bravery to refuse to participate in a war effort or fight in a war when they’re laws and restrictions in place that prohibit you from doing just that. For example, in many countries serving in some type of draft is an expectation of all males of a certain age and ability with some countries even requiring mandatory military service for all able citizens of their nation, refusal to enter the draft or serve a military sentence in these countries come with a number of consequences that can range from fines to prison.

Ultimately, however, whether one decides to participate in unjust war efforts or not, even if they survive and make it out of the war, they must consider if they can live with their decision. Everyone has to live with the consequences and realities of the behavior with which we participate in and just hope that every action we take is one that our conscience can handle.
transcending.deer_777
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 4

Just War Theory

I believe that war can always be justified. When I say this, I do not merely mean that when countries have a disagreement, they should wage war to settle their differences; I believe that the justification of war is purely perspectival. Whether a war is caused by the over-aggressiveness of a country or by self-defense, there are many sides to a story, and the justification is based on the identity and background of the person involved.

Although I believe that the justification of war is purely a matter of perspective, I don't support the intrinsicism belief that war is morally wrong. War serves an important purpose in settling conflicts that cannot be resolved through diplomacy. In certain cases, military force or presence can demonstrate that a country should have control over a disputed issue. However, consequentialism can be equally dangerous as a concept. Just because the end result may justify a conflict, that does not mean that any means used to achieve it are justified. Just War Theory serves as a bridge between these two philosophies, making it clear when war is justified and how to act morally before, during, and after a conflict.

The issue with Just War Theory lies in its qualifications for what makes a war just; there are too many criteria. I'm not sure if this is an element of intrinsicism seeping into the theory, but under such strict guidelines, Just War Theory nearly implies that no war is just. This connects to the idea that a war can only be justified by an individual based on their lived experiences, making it impossible to justify any war from an unbiased perspective.

A citizen's responsibility to serve their country has long been tied to patriotism, but something that is discussed far less during wartime is a citizen's responsibility to uphold their morals. In the whirlwind of conflict, it is easy to justify violent and cruel actions because of groupthink, but we must not undermine the individual's ability to think critically. It falls upon each individual to decide whether fighting in a war upholds the core values of their country. As many would say, “We would never fight a war if every soldier had to agree to it,” and to that, I say good. War in our current society has been far too normalized as a fallback for solving issues. As stated in Just War Theory, “War should always be a last resort. This connects intimately with presenting a just cause - all other forms of solution must have been attempted prior to the declaration of war” (Just War Theory-Jus Ad Bellum).

War is a difficult topic, and I believe its justification is deeply subjective, dependent on the perspectives of those involved. We should recognize the complexities behind each conflict and avoid rushing to point fingers, because, like most situations, it is neither black nor white but rather various shades of gray.

EastCoast11
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 5

Just War Theory Reflection

When navigating the historical roots of War, we find ourselves developing an understanding of the complexities of human conflict, therefore we must ask ourselves: Is war always wrong or can the use of large-scale, organized violence sometimes be justified? The answer to this prompt may not be so easy to figure out, but understanding that perspective and morality play a significant role in this decision. On one side of the spectrum, some people hold moral principles such as prioritizing human rights and restorative justice. Therefore leaning towards ‘Intrinsicism In which you are certain on whether the actions are right or wrong at the start, regardless of how the outcome may be. Your instincts will often be clouded by your personal preference for truthfulness and respecting individual safety, which will drive one’s perception of the behavior. This stance often projects personal beliefs onto others, aligning with one another that have deep-set values to spread awareness. In contrast to Intrinsicism, some people fall under ‘Consequences’, those tend to follow a slower approach in comparison. Finding preference in judging an action’s mortality based on the outcome, despite how harsh and risky the process to get to that point was. This type of mindset is usually aligned with utilitarianism so instead of thinking individually, but instead, the overall advantage and benefits are taken from the operation. Consequentially, war is mostly to be justified based on the probability of success, as the concept of battling is good or not is not in thought of whether to proceed or not. The goal is to reduce the death outcomes and to rather protect the innocent or those at risk. The two positions are recognized, and now we question whether the war is acceptable as it is a sacrifice made for the better, will it be justified? Under what circumstances, or should they be validated at all? The concept of just war theory was introduced to include ethical guidelines that contributed to the reasoning for war and actions taken during the war, then the aftermath principles. Though, I agree with a piece from the Encyclopedia Philosophy, “The just war theorist is keen to remind warriors and politicians alike that the principles of justice following war should be universal and morally ordered and that victory should not provide a license for imposing unduly harsh or punitive measures or that or commercial interests should not dictate the form of the new peace”. Stating that regulations and principles established to guide any sense of war behavior should be morally bound. Therefore, the possible results for the civilians should be put at the top of the list of concerns, not necessarily the potential win the party could be facing. If we lived in a world where victory was the encouragement to wage war and put many individuals' lives at stake. There is certainly a gap between peace and war, unless just war theory is followed before parties decide to wage war as a solution to their problem, our better world will not be achieved.
cherrybacon
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 5

LTQ 3

War isn’t always wrong, the use of large-scale organized violence can sometimes be justified. In the Jus Ad Bellum excerpt, the article reads, “War should always be a last resort…all other forms of solution must have been attempted prior to the declaration of war.” Therefore, war is justified after the use of every other method not working to meet the goal people were striving towards. The consequentialism model is more realistic for the modern world because it means war is not morally wrong if the outcome is just. For example, say a genocide is taking place in a country, if that country decides to hold a revolution, it’s just for them to start that war. Just War Theory does act as a bridge between the two philosophical ideas because it showcases the way that people need to be able to act within a war, whether that's the intrincism model or if its the consequentialism model.


If a nation wages war for unjust reasons, its citizens should refuse to participate in the war effort. It most likely won’t be easy for people to stand up against their government but it’s worth a shot. It definitely takes more courage not to fight in defense of your nation than to fight a war you believe is morally wrong because one would be going against their nation's beliefs and going against nationalism. If each citizen acts according to their own moral compass when a nation is at war, it can lead to that country losing the war due to not enough people participating in the war. Those consequences are not at all realistic for a nation to endure because this will make it so the nation is easy to fall apart and conquer/ defeat.


I agree with the statement that “we must stop reassuring soldiers that they act permissibly when they fight in an unjust war” because people need to be able to stand up for themselves and fight only for what they believe in and not fight for something that goes against their moral beliefs. Soldiers can act morally and honorably during wartime, even if the greater cause they are fighting for is unjust by not listening to all the commands that are given to them. If they are told to inflict violence on places where there are common citizens, they can act honorably by refusing to do that specific act in the war. The rules of war assist soldiers to act morally because they provide a guide to how these soldiers should act in war.

mrgiggles!!
Roslindale, MA, US
Posts: 5

JTQ 3: Just War Theory Reflection

There is no denying that war as a whole is a complex and convoluted topic, with the justification of war being even more so. Thus, over the years, both the intrinsicist model and the consequalist model have come to light, falling on completely opposite ends of the spectrum. While intrinisicts believe that war and the acts that come with it are altogether morally wrong regardless of the outcome, consequentialists believe that war can be justified if it will prove to be beneficial. Though both are equally valid perspectives on the justification of war, they are both “either vague or restrictive when it comes to war,” as described by the Encyclopedia of Philosophy. For intrinsicists, does a nation not have a right to defend itself? Must it accept defeat even if war could absolutely help them? For consequentialists, who decides what is a morally just or unjust reason to go to war? What if the moral views of two opposing countries greatly contrast one another? How are “good outcomes” measured? I think that in our society, consequentialism is a much more realistic outlook, as war is simply too nuanced to reduce it to “right vs. wrong.” Even though many would want to agree with the intrinsicism model, it is rather too optimistic, as many people wouldn’t act according to their moral compass in times of war. Even if they did, war may still be inevitable as every person has a unique set of moral beliefs that shape how they would justify certain actions. What I may view as reprehensible could be perfectly just in someone else’s eyes. Additionally, while I do believe that humans are not naturally violent, I also think that we are certainly inherently drawn to violence. War, particularly for the protection of one’s people, is a reoccurring event all throughout history. While many people truly want to fight and serve for their country, many conform to societal pressures and participate despite their own values. I find it more courageous to not fight in defense for your nation due to your moral values, as it is difficult to not conform to the norm. Those who are “outliers” among a group of people are often ostracized and deemed less patriotic. In the images shown during class, it’s clear that conscientious objectors were painted as lazy and unmanly as they chose not to engage in war, even sometimes thrown in jail because of this choice. Their adamant rejection of the status quo isn’t an easy thing - it’s far easier to conform than willingly choose to be the “other”. On the other hand, I don’t think that it’s exactly cowardice to fight in a war that is morally wrong or unjust because of the desire to confirm. Humans inherently want to feel as if they are a part of a group - we naturally form “us vs. them” distinctions. For this reason, it’s easy to share a sense of common hatred with others against an enemy and use war as the way to do that. Engagement in wars seems to be largely tied to social psychology theories and human behavior, which only adds to the complexity of this topic. It’s hard to provide a definitive answer on what is exactly just or unjust since our perspectives vary so greatly from person to person and there are a wide array of factors that may contribute.

questionably123
Boston , Ma, US
Posts: 4

Reflections on Just War Theory

In most circumstances, war is unjustifiable due to the death and destruction it causes. When a nation goes to war for reasons such as greed, vengeance, or petty rivalries, that war is not justifiable. Soldiers often face the loss of their lives or endure the trauma that comes with combat, all because leaders prioritize their pride over the needs of their citizens.There are situations where war may be justified, such as wars fought for independence, wars that are a last resort, or when a nation is threatened, making war the only way to escape oppression. I believe the intrinsic model is better for society than the consequential model because, even if the outcomes of a war may be seen as justified, the war itself may still be unjust, which is evident in many conflicts today. In these inconsequential wars, the distinction between justifiable defense and unnecessary violence can become blurred, and unjust strategies may be employed even for a just cause.Just war theory attempts to reconcile these two philosophical perspectives by stating that war should be considered unnecessary unless there are just reasons for it.

It may take more courage to refuse to fight for your country if you believe the war is wrong. Declining to participate when everyone else agrees can be very challenging due to groupthink or conformity pressure. A person may face anger and pressure from others who believe they should fight. However, standing up for what you believe is right might lead to greater fulfillment and less moral dissonance. Some might consider it cowardly to resist fighting in a war, but combating societal pressure can require even more courage. Often, soldiers follow orders without critically examining the implications, but the actions taken during war can weigh heavily on an individual. If everyone relied solely on their sense of right and wrong, the unity required to protect a country might unravel. Furthermore, if a nation goes to war for unjust reasons, its citizens should still fight even if they personally believe it is unjust. However, if a significant majority believes the war is unjust, they should refuse to participate, and the country should reconsider going to war if its citizens do not see it as necessary.

Even though Jeff McMahan believes that soldiers should not be told they are acting rightly simply because they behaved honorably during an unjust war, I disagree. While it is true that the war itself may not be morally justifiable, soldiers can still act honorably by following the rules of war and treating others with respect during battles. Their choice to conduct themselves honorably is significant, even in an unjust context.The principles of jus in bello can also guide soldiers in maintaining moral behavior, particularly through the standards of discrimination and proportionality. These principles set limits on actions, such as prohibiting the targeting of civilians or the use of excessive force. However, it is important to note that these rules may not always be sufficient, as wars often bring about severe horrors beyond these principles.

riversky127
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 5

Reflections on Just War Theory

The question “is war morally wrong” is one with a simple answer, but at the same time impossibly complex implications in real life. If you were to ask the question “are acts of war morally wrong?” or “is violence morally wrong?” people would likely say yes, that cruelty and violence against other people, especially those who have been thrown into a conflict that they never wanted, is always wrong. However, in the real world, whether from our deeply human draw to violence, or the more recent human obsession with nationalism and a mass group identity, war seems unavoidable. There has never in human history been a time of absolute peace between people. As social beings, we are hard-wired to seek out and depend on groups of people, effectively making other groups appear as threats to our chosen herd. One massive shift that we have experienced throughout history, however, is the exponential growth of human populations, and with it the increase in intellectual discovery and weapons of mass destruction that were once unheard of. Sure, fighting a neighboring hunter-gatherer society over resources or land may seem justified, but dropping bombs on mass groups of civilians who were just unlucky enough to be placed in the wrong place at the wrong time? If killing one person is widely considered wrong, how can scaling up the casualties by thousands suddenly make the act morally just? And yet, regardless of morality, there is still no simple answer for whether any war can be considered justified. War is dynamic, and each conflict so impossibly unique, that even asking about the morality of “war” feels ignorant. Morality itself can also be constantly shaped and contradicted, as is pointed out in the Encyclopedia of Philosophy, in which, when discussing the values of ‘Just War Theory’, the author writes “...the lack of a strict ethical framework means that the principles themselves are open to broad interpretations” (Excerpt 1). Is it even possible to set global guidelines for ethics if the rules themselves are written by people just as humanly complex and biased as anyone else? In this sense, even if war is waged for a good reason, it is ultimately the result of the shortcomings of leadership or flaws in systems that have been set by those in power. Humans have never not been making mistakes. So, the real question of the morality of war ends up being about blame. Whose responsibility is it to deal with the mistakes of our world leaders? Say you find a rare war with all the principles of Just War Theory; “Having a just cause, being a last resort, being declared by the proper authority, possessing the right intention, having a reasonable chance of success, and the end being proportional to the means used” (Excerpt 1), it still resulted from the unhappiness of some group of people. Thus, war in itself is ultimately unjust, but can in theory be fought for a just reason.

lilbigmacfries
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 5

JWT Reflection

I believe that if someone’s country does anything that doesn’t align with their personal morals and beliefs, they’re not obligated to support it. Just as one of the videos we watched said, these mass atrocities and killings cannot happen without popular support. It’s also my understanding that in Jus Ad Bellum, not having a just reason to go to war overturns any other qualifications a country might have, such as hugh probability of winning, etc.

With that being said, I believe that it takes an extreme amount of courage to stand against your own nation and choose not to fight. In majority of cases I’ve seen or learned about, the vast majority of citizens willingly go to war behind their country, but it’s easier to run into war surrounded by other people than it is to stand seemingly alone against everyone around you. This ties into what we learned in Unit 1, regarding theories such as mob mentality, or the obedience theory. It’s apart of human nature to want to be in the “in” group, therefore overcoming that desire and being comfortable with standing alone in the “out” group takes more than anything it takes the be apart of that “in” group.

The passage, Jus In Bello, leaves a lot of responsibility for any actions of war committed on the soldiers themselves. It almost seems like it’s up to the soldiers to differentiate who’s a valid target and who’s not, but that isn’t the way it should be. When going into war, countries should have outlined battle plans instead of just throwing a soldier into war to decide who to kill and who to spare. While it might seem obvious to not kill civilians, when you’re thrown into a war without detailed or strict instructions, that may be harder to do. Ultimately, while soldiers are essentially human weapons of war, a lot of the times they’re following certain orders or guidelines from authority, which can be valid to a certain extent.

Despite having to follow orders, soldiers still hold some responsibility for their actions in war, especially when those actions go against their own morals. It’s hard to disobey such a powerful authority such as one’s own government, but as we saw in the Milgram experiments, it’s possible to go against orders if those orders are not something that’s agreed upon. Truthfully, it’s more courageous to not engage in unjust violence during war than it is to blindly follow someone’s orders and commit violent acts that the soldier themself doesn’t even agree with.

Overall, the ability to stand behind one’s own moral compass and beliefs is more admirable then blindly accepting orders or blindly following them. As seen in the reading we’ve completed, many countries go to war for unjust reasons, creating unnecessary and extreme violence. Besides courage, it takes a person with a strong sense of self to stray away from mob mentality, and extreme displays of nationalism during times of war. Just War Theory tends to avoid that entire situation, making war more of a last resort, and nullifying it to avoid extreme cases such as genocides, etc.


EX0
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 5

JWT Reflection Response

Originally posted by riversky127 on October 22, 2024 07:47

The question “is war morally wrong” is one with a simple answer, but at the same time impossibly complex implications in real life. If you were to ask the question “are acts of war morally wrong?” or “is violence morally wrong?” people would likely say yes, that cruelty and violence against other people, especially those who have been thrown into a conflict that they never wanted, is always wrong. However, in the real world, whether from our deeply human draw to violence, or the more recent human obsession with nationalism and a mass group identity, war seems unavoidable. There has never in human history been a time of absolute peace between people. As social beings, we are hard-wired to seek out and depend on groups of people, effectively making other groups appear as threats to our chosen herd. One massive shift that we have experienced throughout history, however, is the exponential growth of human populations, and with it the increase in intellectual discovery and weapons of mass destruction that were once unheard of. Sure, fighting a neighboring hunter-gatherer society over resources or land may seem justified, but dropping bombs on mass groups of civilians who were just unlucky enough to be placed in the wrong place at the wrong time? If killing one person is widely considered wrong, how can scaling up the casualties by thousands suddenly make the act morally just? And yet, regardless of morality, there is still no simple answer for whether any war can be considered justified. War is dynamic, and each conflict so impossibly unique, that even asking about the morality of “war” feels ignorant. Morality itself can also be constantly shaped and contradicted, as is pointed out in the Encyclopedia of Philosophy, in which, when discussing the values of ‘Just War Theory’, the author writes “...the lack of a strict ethical framework means that the principles themselves are open to broad interpretations” (Excerpt 1). Is it even possible to set global guidelines for ethics if the rules themselves are written by people just as humanly complex and biased as anyone else? In this sense, even if war is waged for a good reason, it is ultimately the result of the shortcomings of leadership or flaws in systems that have been set by those in power. Humans have never not been making mistakes. So, the real question of the morality of war ends up being about blame. Whose responsibility is it to deal with the mistakes of our world leaders? Say you find a rare war with all the principles of Just War Theory; “Having a just cause, being a last resort, being declared by the proper authority, possessing the right intention, having a reasonable chance of success, and the end being proportional to the means used” (Excerpt 1), it still resulted from the unhappiness of some group of people. Thus, war in itself is ultimately unjust, but can in theory be fought for a just reason.

Riversky127’s post does a great job of emphasizing the difference between justification of war and morality of war. They aren’t the same thing and just war doesn’t make war moral. I fully agree with the idea that war is always immoral, so arguing about the morality of mass war is pointless. The point of Just War Theory is to form ideas of what makes it justified for a nation to go to war. I am surprised to find that Riversky127 and I are one of the only people in our class to align ourselves with the intrinsic model along with recognizing some complexities. I think another student to make similar good points was make_art_not_war, unsurprisingly someone who argues an intrinsic point of view. MANW focused more on the question of individual responsibility in a warring state, but they also portrayed the idea that war being immoral is a separate idea from the justification of war. While I agree with the ideas that Riversky127 relates in the reflection, it felt as if they shied away from making a strong point. I think the post would be more powerful if Riversky127 had focused more on an idea. Overall, however, I think it was an insightful post and a good break in the stream of posts arguing that war can be moral if it is for just causes.

Dolphin315
Boston, MA, US
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Just War Theory

The question of whether citizens should refuse to participate in the war if their nation wages war for unjust reasons is extremely complex. I don't believe that there is one right answer to this question, as every situation is different. While on one hand, the decision to participate is personal and reflects individual values, it also has lasting effects on the moral implications of a community as a whole. One argument can be made that it takes more courage to fight in defense of your nation than to stand up for what you believe, but I lean more towards the argument that it takes more courage to refuse to fight for a war that you believe is morally wrong. The consequence of fighting for an unjust war is shame and possibly death, and if death is the case then you do not have to endure the feelings of shame. If one chooses to not fight, they might face judgment, threats, and shame from fellow citizens as well as physical threats from their own government. By fighting in an unjust war, one is able to avoid judgment from others and is able to feel like they are part of a group.

While this position has truth to it, it can also be dangerous if each citizen acts only according to his own moral compass when a nation is at war. During times of war, nations rely on a coordinated and unified effort which is not possible if everyone is acting according to their own moral compass. If soldiers, citizens, and workers began to opt out of war, a country’s ability to defend itself could be weakened significantly. This lack of cohesion could leave the nation extremely vulnerable because of their inability to come together and defend themselves. On the other hand, if citizens are blindly following their leaders or popular movements, a different type of danger could come about. Without multiple perspectives and outlooks on such heavy topics like war, a nation could become susceptible to the whims of a singular powerful leader. When citizens do not critically engage with the moral implications of war, an environment can be created where ethical considerations are overlooked.


The result of this could be groupthink, where the desire for harmony results in irrational decision making. Groupthink is often associated with various forms of validation. In this example, a soldier could validate their action by blaming it on their commander, or say they must follow orders, when in reality there were alternative options. This also relates to the just war theory, which explores the ethics behind starting and engaging in war. This theory emphasizes principles like just cause and proportionality. By creating a structured approach to understanding the ethics of war, the just war theory can explain much of the validation techniques used by both soldiers and their leaders.

star.lol
Boston, MAQ, US
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War Theory

War is always wrong, solely on the fact that so many lives are being taken, lives of those who have a life and family outside of violence not just their duty to their country. However, there are some circumstances that war can be justified even if the outcome is wrong and very sad which is laid out by the jus ad bellum. Even though war can be seen very negatively, there are other ways to look at and ways that war can be justified. A way that war is justified is described to prevent worse things from happening, and higher evils. This can be done as someone protecting themselves, and had no choice because an attack or invasion was put on the person, protecting those who are innocent, war was a response to protect those who don’t deserve this crime, and being treated unfairly and need to respond to it. My point of view aligns with the consequentialist view that war is wrong but there are some justifications, which is a more realistic view for society because so many different things happen nowadays, and wars were so common so there's so many different reasons on why that war took place. If a war is waged for unjust reasons, citizens should refuse to participate if they do not feel like it is right, they should be able to fight in a war that they believe is right, not because they feel obligated or are forced. It takes more courage not to fight in defense of your nation because there is so much pressure to feel as if you need to fight in this war because everyone else is doing it, it ties with conformity and conforming what every else is doing, and so it takes a lot of courage to do something different, to be different from the group because people don’t want to be seen as the odd one out, or be judge and/or made fun of because they did not fight for the country which can be come with a lot of cons and consequences because it can be seen as cowardness and not fighting for their country. If each citizen acts only according to his own moral compass then there would be a lack of cohesion because everyone would be thinking about themselves, and not the group of the people which can have other types of conflicts. “ The conscientious objector does not believe that violence can cure violence or that militarism can exorcise the spirit of militarism. He persists in feeling “solidarity” with those who are called “enemies,” and he believes that if that feeling were more widespread among us it would do more than armies and navies can ever do to prevent the growth of aggressive Imperialism” (Between Peace and War). This quote shows how solidarity among humans can lead to peace, and that those who refuse to participate care more about humans and how they feel but now how it can divide people. Jeff McMahan’s assertion shows and asks whether soldiers are able to act honorably and morally during wartime, even if the war they are serving in is unjust, which shows the soldiers feelings and point of view.
asianwarrior27
Boston, Massachusetts, US
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Reflection on Just War Theory

One on one hand, one’s loyalty to their country can drive them to participate in a war even if they disagree with the causes of war. And on the other hand, one’s morals can create resistance to participate in the war that they think is morally wrong. The Principles of Jus ad Bello in the Encyclopedia of Philosophy discusses that war is only justified if it meets a set of moral conditions. When a government decides to wage an unjust war, it is up to the citizens then if they want to fight or not, which poses them with a moral dilemma: to participate in a war that they think is unjust or refuse to fight because of ethics.


Jus ad Bellum, as discussed in the Encyclopedia of Philosophy, offers the criteria for when a war is justified: a war must have a just cause, right intentions, and only be waged when other means are exhausted. This framework can justify resistance to a war if it’s initiated for reasons such as economic and political gain, and in that case, citizens can feel morally just to not participate. It takes more courage to refuse to fight in an unjust war because it defies both state authority and societal expectations. There are many instances where one, who decided to stand for their beliefs and not participate in a war they thought to be unjust, faced punishment or death. " Between War and Peace highlights the moral complexity of such decisions because people don’t want to feel like they failed their country but also don’t want to fight for an unjust cause. As discussed, one’s refusal to fight in a war can be viewed as abandonment of national duty, especially if the lives of others are at stake. This can be viewed as selfish or cowardly because they are avoiding their responsibilities as a defender of their nation.


If every citizen were to act according to their moral values on participating in war, national unity and military effectiveness would be undermined because a nation relies on the cooperation of their citizens in wartime. If too many people decide not to participate in war because it is unjust, then the nation becomes vulnerable to destruction and defeat. However, forcing people to serve in wars that they think are unjust can result in serious internal divisions and distrust in the government. A divided society can lead to social and political instability in the long run. Just War Theory suggests that wars should only be fought when they meet the strict moral standards. If a war fails to meet the criteria, then the citizens may be justified in their refusal to fight. Nevertheless, the theory also accounts for the necessity of collectivism and that a nation can not function if every citizen decides their participation in war for themselves.


While refusing to fight in an unjust war can be seen as an act of moral courage, it causes significant consequences for citizens and the nation. Even though a conscientious refusal may be a valid response, it raises the question about the ability of the nation to defend itself and maintain unity.

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