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FallingStars
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Originally posted by toast on October 07, 2019 21:27

I think that judging is natural and necessary. We make choices everyday without even realizing. Iyengar drew attention to the cultural differences between America and others around the world, we tend to view choice as a regular thing, everything from what we eat for breakfast to crucial medical decisions are up to us. It has grown to be expected that we will have choices regardless of any complications and choice is widely preferred to having someone else make difficult decisions. I personally think that choice is good but as Iyengar my choice to prefer choosing is a result of my environment. Having too much choice can lead to chaos but not enough makes people feel trapped and diminishes their rights. We have to judge in order to make choices and choices are needed to keep order in our lives.

Judging people is also necessary. When we meet someone most of us instantly develop an opinion on them which may vary widely. Through judging a person and their actions we determine what we think of them which then influences our future interactions with them. It helps us decide what type of person we believe they are and what we expect of them, good or bad, so that we can act accordingly. Without judging people we would not be able to determine who our friends are or anything similar. Judgement goes too far when it becomes discrimination. When people allow themselves to make superficial judgements and then treat others unjustly they take away the victims right to choose. One’s ability to choose should not impose on the rights of others.

Judging and choosing are a natural part of life though for some the extent varies. I also believe that descrimination can not be avoided, humans will find any excuse to persecute others because the idea of an “Us” versus “Them” leads to strong communities and a sense of superiority. While it is wrong and everyone seems to understand that at a basic level it can not be avoided. Iyengar told a story about women arguing over which of two nail polish colors is best when they could not actually be differentiated. That is not as severe as discrimination of people but it shows that given any opportunity to chose or judge someone will likely take it.

I also found that nail polish story interesting. If choices are based on perceived differences, then it would be really easy to manipulate this. If a government keeps telling the people an us vs them story when it comes to refugees, we would discriminate against refugees. If they keep telling us that all refugees are criminals, people begin to either believe or consider that. It makes you consider what choices we have made because we were manipulated to do so.

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Lucky
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Judgement

Judgement and discrimination are a part of human nature, because we all do the things that we all make the choices that we believe will benefit us the most. We are conditioned to not like anything out of the ordinary. So once we see someone/something that looks or behaves in a way that we are not used to, we treat these things as outcasts and stay away from them. This all stems from a fear of the unknown. However, this is not always necessary, and if some people took the time to actually get to know the things they discriminate against/ are afraid of, then they could grow to actually like them. These ideas of what should be looked down on have been passed down through generations and so now we have a society where some people still share these ideas. It also has to do with preferences and what experiences you’ve had with the things that you’re choosing between. Whether it be something as small as what flavor of soda to drink or as big as deciding whether to take a loved one off life support.

These can sometimes be good, for example, if you were deciding what food to eat and one of them looked rotten or moldy, then you would use your better judgement to decide to not eat that one. There are also bigger cases where judgement is necessary, like if one were to meet a criminal, they would use their better judgement to stay away from the person and inform someone of who they saw. However, unless I’m extreme cases, discrimination is usually not necessary and can drive wedges between people that didn’t need to be established in the first place.

It is not possible to have a world without judgement because of all the good ways you can use your judgement to make the best choices for yourself and those around you. Upstanders use their better judgement to decide when they should help others instead of only thinking for themselves. However discrimination, while not usually necessary, is imbedded into our natures and society. This makes it impossible to avoid even if you’re not the one discriminations against something.

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purplepig
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Subconscious Necessity

People judge to make themselves comfortable. Being able to associate someone with a certain something or group makes us feel like we understand the person more. We attach qualities to people based on these connections that we make. Sometimes this is good because we can understand someone’s background or perspective or at least what makes them them. But a bad thing about this is that we assume that we know a person based off of certain judgments and do not actually get to know them and test those assumptions. The pros and cons are plenty, so deciding whether or not to judge is often difficult. To be honest, I believe that we are not in a place yet to live in a word without judgements for two reasons. One, that in our society, we try to quickly analyze everyone with the assumptions we make about them, and two, that it is part of human nature. We try to understand someone and who they are at our first glance of them, subconsciously even. It is not the best thing, but as we function as a society, we currently cannot live without judgement.
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Lucky
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Originally posted by vsace2 on October 06, 2019 15:43

Discrimination exists among all societies, it is what us humans are born into. We give birth to the idea that ‘first impressions count’. We make split-second assumptions about others, based on preconceived notions or first appearances. Judgment, discrimination, and choice-making all are similar, yet each carries a different weight, discrimination being the heaviest. Discrimination is the unfair treatment of someone who you judge. I believe that discrimination of people is always wrong, yet judgement can be seen as beneficial. Just as in our nature we judge whether a situation, person, thing, is a threat or dangerous, we do the same in our modern society. Say you see someone and on first impressions, you can tell that they may be dangerous or suspicious. Judging plays a key role in our social interactions and experiences, and could be minimized and supressed, yet through a different context, judgment can aide us, ranging from saving us from time, to even saving our lives.


Choosing is human nature of preference. In the Sheena’s Iyenger’s Ted Talk, the possibility of choice causes dilemma in people in modern society. Her experiment with Anglo-American children and Asian-American children show the differences in mindset among children from different backgrounds, Anglo-Americans being more productive when allowed their preference of drawing and color, while Asian-Americans when their parents’ made the choice for them. When given too many options, as Iyenger expresses, we tend to be more indecisive. This is the drawback of a utopian society of choice, an idea that is abundant in America, where choice of brands and flavors, whether one wants diet or carbonated, coke or pepsi. Choice, I believe, still plays an important role in societal’s function, generally. Even though society can still live without the dilemma of choosing coke or pepsi, such as in Eastern Europe, choice gives humans the unique ability to preference and therefore, happiness. Imagine having your occupation, ambitions, and future laid out for you, without any say. Life will become rather pointless and monotonous, and imagination and the dreamlike wonder of life will fade away.


Yes, it is very possible for a world to live without discrimination, the unjust treatment of a group of people based on belief or individuality. Yet it is not possible for the lack of choice and judgement to suffice in the modern world. It may be wrong in theory to be so decisive and make these assumptions of others, but it is how the world really progresses and how society is created.


I think it’s interesting that you said that we could live without discrimination because in a way I do agree with this, but also I do not think it would be so easy to just uproot something that has been a part of our society for so long. Especially considering that it is very unlikely that we could change everyone’s opinions and mindset. For some people, they discriminate due to religious reasons, so you would have to tell those people to go against their own personal beliefs. I also agree that judgement is necessary to keep yourself out of harm's way.

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