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abrahamlincoln2.0
Boston, MA, US
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In times when war is waged for unjust reasons, citizens have the right to and should refuse to participate in any war efforts if it does not align with their moral ethics. In most societies, there are groups of people who deem themselves “conscious objectors–people who refuse to serve in or aid the military for religious or moral reasons” (FHAO). These people refuse to participate in war efforts because of their values, including religious and moral. Thus, it ultimately takes more courage not to fight in defense of one’s nation because it shows priority in oneself over their people, or in other words a lack of nationalism. However, not participating in war to defend one’s nation can lead to social outcastment or even violence to those who refuse to engage.

Despite this, the consequences that can arise if each citizen follows their own moral compass during times of war are dependent on the nation’s population. If most citizens have a consequentialist view, then war is more likely to occur because, if the outcome of the war is beneficial for their own nation, then the citizens will be more willing to fight as the results of the war are better than not going to war at all. On the contrary, if most citizens have an intrinsic view, then the nation has a higher chance of defeat because less people believe in going to war and, thus, will not be participating in the fight. Thus, a nation with a large population of intrinsicists are more likely to experience harsher consequences, such as forced submission and power abuse from the enemy nation, because they had less people fighting in the war. On the other hand, a nation with a large population of consequentialists has a better chance at victory because more people are willing to engage in battle.

In the modern world, consequentialism is more realistic because it gives both nations a fighting chance at victory. From a moral standpoint, intrinsicism is more desirable as it allows for those who do not wish to participate in war to do so peacefully. In the present day, though, with increasing military strength and ongoing acts of violence, consequentialism is necessary to determine whether an enemy nation is a true threat or not and if it is worthwhile to enable such acts. However, intrinsicism standpoints are still vital to society as they can prevent major and devastating acts of violence. Since, “intrinsicism can be so restrictive that it permits no flexibility in war,” it allows for more deliberation of acts before they are done (Encyclopedia of Philosophy). Thus, by being so restrictive, they can stop bad acts of violence from happening before they even get the chance to become ideas.

This shows that, even though consequentialism may be more realistic for the modern world, both ideologies are necessary to ensure that war is not done outwardly and with bad intentions. Consequentialism allows for war to be deemed justifiable or not, while intrinsicism makes sure that no extreme measures are taken during the actual war or stops any unjust acts during war by preventing it entirely. Thus, the Just War Theory does act as a bridge between the two philosophical ideas because it separates the ethics of going to war from those of conducting a war. In jus ad bellum, consequentialism plays a heavy role as it weighs the potential positive and negative consequences before waging the war. In jus in bello, intrinsicism establishes specific and certain rules of engagement, regardless if the consequences are good or bad. Through this, the Just War theory bridges the two ideas by accepting the fact that some wars are needed, while also establishing strict rules for how to fight during a war to prevent any mishaps.

I_G0t_r1ch_1n_my Amirizz
Boston, Massachusetts, US
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Jus Ad Bellum

There are two main codes of conduct that determine Jus Ad Bellum. One is consequentialism-the idea that a positive outcome outweighs its negative implications, the other is Utilitarianism-the Idea that there are no circumstances that allow for leniency. I believe that Consequentialism isn’t a more realistic model for the world. It allows for behavior to be loosely interpreted. The 6 juss-reasons for a war can be manipulated to mask a hidden motive that allows the war to be classified as justified rather than to be not justified: “Just-Cause”-A political official might claim that their extreme measures in the defense of human rights is required to ensure a positive outcome of extenuating circumstances like bombing a hospital or the genocide of an ethnic group they claim to be perpetrators. Legitimate Authority- A figure of authority could wage war on state with no given reason, or the figure of authority can be a dictator, declaring war without a just cause. Probability also delivers complications. To what extent does overpowering the enemy become unjust. Portionality-A dictator might argue that excessive force is necessary in achieving a positive outcome. An example is the nuclear bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians were killed. The U.S claimed that this was necessary because of the devastation of Pearl Harbor and the militaristic advancement. and this loose interpretation is caused by the doctrine of consequentialism enabling these complications. I think that Utilitarianism is necessary in order to ensure that a war is just. Having loose interpretation creates problems. An example where loose interpretation has created problems in the past is the AOC. There wasn’t a strong centralized government and set of laws that allowed the government to be governed properly, which then caused the states power to be authorized over the federal jurisdiction. States like North Carolina and other southern states were able to compose a set of laws that went against the government's power. States could nullify the jurisdiction of the federal government which prompted sequential circumstances that overlapped the ideas that governed the Nation/ colonies as a whole. There is also the idea that war dehumanizes people. When people are forced into war they succumb to the inevitable-death, destruction, forced migration, and war crimes that are extremely inhumane. The nature of war dehumanizes people. Nationalism creates further divisions within society which heightens the dehumanization of people. Divisions create groups and cause groups to label their enemies as less than human: “But when enemies differ greatly because of different religious beliefs, race, or language, and as such they see each other as “less than human”, war conventions are rarely applied. It is only when the enemy is seen to be a people, sharing a moral identity with whom one will do business in the following peace, that tacit or explicit rules are formed for how wars should be fought and who they should involve and what kind of relations should apply in the aftermath of war. In part, the motivation for forming or agreeing to certain conventions, can be seen as mutually benefiting”(Excerpt). In the text it explains these conventions. We get caught up in our beliefs that we associate the other as less than human.
GreenBlock0213
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War is not always wrong because sometimes the use of large-scale and organized violence is justified and the only option a society has. Although the intrinsic model ideally is the model we all want societies to follow, the consequentialist model is more realistic because in my opinion, I think war is always bound to happen because no society is ever perfect. In the modern world, conflict is inevitable, societies are bound to make disagreements with each other and eventually when they exhaust every negotiation method, war occurs. Right now there are wars and conflicts around the world. I think that the Just war Theory, the permissible reasons for war act as a bridge between the two philosophical ideas because both ideas have different, as well as similar views. An example of this is that ideas suggest that every other option must be exhausted for them to resort to war. I think that if a nation wages war for unjust reasons, citizens should not fight and actually protest against the war, but this opinion is very unrealistic and at times the nation would probably implement something to force their citizens to assist them in this war. I think it takes more courage to refuse to fight in defense of your nation because you think the goal is unjust, as well as I think it is cowardice for a person to go along with the nation and fight the war that they don’t believe in. The consequence of each citizen acting only to their own moral compass at war would be chaotic and disastrous, because on one end there would be people who are unwilling to fight no matter what, then on the other hand there would be extreme radicals. These consequences are not realistic for a nation to endure. That is probably why there are usually charismatic leaders at the center of these wars to rally everyone together under one common goal. I agree with McMahan’s idea that we should stop soldiers that fight honourably in an unjust war, but I don’t think that would be easy because they are either fighting for the goal or they believe in, or they are overly patriotic and unable to see the bigger picture. I also agree that soldiers can act morally and honourably during wartime because soldiers mainly fight for the purpose of their country, a feeling of patriotism, and sometimes with a charismatic leader this feeling can even be hypnotic. Yes the rules of war assist soldiers to act morally because they allow humane treatment of civilians, children, and prisoners of war. They also encourage exempting civilian territories from battle such as a hospital where the wounded and innocent are treated. These rules also restrict the use of excessive force, such as dropping an atomic bomb during war. Soldiers are also able to act morally and honourably during wartime but it would probably be less likely if they haven’t seen jus in bello, or are just not in control of the reasons or motivations for their actions.


123456
Boston, MA, US
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My moral stance is that war is always wrong. However, I don’t believe that the intrinsicism model is realistic for the world in the state that it is in today. I do believe that the ideal scenario for our world is a balance between intrinsicism and consequentialism. From the readings, Jus Ad Bellum seems to be a great way to bridge the gap between the two ways of thinking. However, I don’t believe that it is a realistic way to enforce that balance. The fundamental idea of Jus ad Bellum is that it relies on leaders of each side to adhere from some sort of moral viewpoint. This means that those ruling countries with less strict morals, or even none, are easily able to violate the terms of Jus Ad Bellum with little to no consequences. If there were an organization that could be devoted to enforcing those principles, then I believe that it would be a good model. I also disagree with some points of the Jus In Bellum guidelines. For example, the following quote: “Since killing itself is highly problematic, the just war theorist has to proffer a reason why combatants become legitimate targets in the first place, and whether their status alters if they are fighting a just or unjust war”. This would imply that a war means that a soldier’s life is not as valuable as outside of a war, as killing them is no longer even considered murder. I do not believe that there is any situation in which the lack of morality in taking another life decreases, as in all situations human life is valuable. Addressing the second question, I firmly believe that it is the duty of a citizen not to contribute to the war effort if they believe that it is morally wrong. A just world depends on each citizen acting on what they innately believe to be right, because deep down I believe that we are able to know if what we are doing is right or wrong. It takes a certain amount of bravery to stand up against your country by not supporting that war effort, or not going over to fight, though admittedly nothing takes more bravery than going to fight in a war. However, going to fight for an unjust cause just because it is brave, or is your duty to your country, is blind and stupid bravery/nationalism. It does not consider the downstream effects of your actions. This ties into McMahan’s point about soldiers’ conduct on the battlefield. While originally, as stated, it is the duty of a citizen not to fight if they believe the cause to be unjust, it is also extremely admirable to behave according to the rules of Jus In Bellum, as that in itself puts one in greater danger. While the ideal world would dictate that that soldier should not have gone to war in the first place, it is not right to condemn them for behaving admirably on the battlefield.
987654321
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 5

Originally posted by 123456 on October 15, 2025 10:02

My moral stance is that war is always wrong. However, I don’t believe that the intrinsicism model is realistic for the world in the state that it is in today. I do believe that the ideal scenario for our world is a balance between intrinsicism and consequentialism. From the readings, Jus Ad Bellum seems to be a great way to bridge the gap between the two ways of thinking. However, I don’t believe that it is a realistic way to enforce that balance. The fundamental idea of Jus ad Bellum is that it relies on leaders of each side to adhere from some sort of moral viewpoint. This means that those ruling countries with less strict morals, or even none, are easily able to violate the terms of Jus Ad Bellum with little to no consequences. If there were an organization that could be devoted to enforcing those principles, then I believe that it would be a good model. I also disagree with some points of the Jus In Bellum guidelines. For example, the following quote: “Since killing itself is highly problematic, the just war theorist has to proffer a reason why combatants become legitimate targets in the first place, and whether their status alters if they are fighting a just or unjust war”. This would imply that a war means that a soldier’s life is not as valuable as outside of a war, as killing them is no longer even considered murder. I do not believe that there is any situation in which the lack of morality in taking another life decreases, as in all situations human life is valuable. Addressing the second question, I firmly believe that it is the duty of a citizen not to contribute to the war effort if they believe that it is morally wrong. A just world depends on each citizen acting on what they innately believe to be right, because deep down I believe that we are able to know if what we are doing is right or wrong. It takes a certain amount of bravery to stand up against your country by not supporting that war effort, or not going over to fight, though admittedly nothing takes more bravery than going to fight in a war. However, going to fight for an unjust cause just because it is brave, or is your duty to your country, is blind and stupid bravery/nationalism. It does not consider the downstream effects of your actions. This ties into McMahan’s point about soldiers’ conduct on the battlefield. While originally, as stated, it is the duty of a citizen not to fight if they believe the cause to be unjust, it is also extremely admirable to behave according to the rules of Jus In Bellum, as that in itself puts one in greater danger. While the ideal world would dictate that that soldier should not have gone to war in the first place, it is not right to condemn them for behaving admirably on the battlefield.

I also agree that the intrinsic model isn’t totally realistic in our world today. I agree that there should be a balance between intrinsicism and consequentialism and that the Jus Ad Bellum idea does somewhat fit the balance, but only to a certain extent. The Jus Ad Bellum is the justification of why two opposing sides should go to war and like you said, adhere to a moral viewpoint, but countries may still act out injusticely in war and break the Jus In Bello. I also agree with the points about how much bravery and courage it takes to stand against your country and stick with what you believe is right during a time of turmoil. It is not just to send innocent citizens to risk their lives in a war they don’t support or believe in. Why should citizens have to pay for a war they didn’t wage or want? I also agree with the point that being a part of a war that you don’t support is dangerous and unjust. People shouldn’t be looked at differently just because they don’t support the greater cause of the nation in war. It encourages people to have their own views and beliefs.e here.

Critt3rsarer1zzy
East Boston, Mass, US
Posts: 4

Throughout the history of war, people have always debated whether war can really be morally justified or is it always the wrong move for the government to pull? The Just War Theory tries to answer the question through the rules of when and how war should be fought. In today’s world, I believe that war is not always wrong but it should only be used as the last resort to resolve the problems. In order to protect innocent people and stop any major injustice.

Sometimes war is necessary and sometimes it’s wrong. The consequentialism model is more realistic in today’s world and the Just War Theory acts as a bridge. In some situations, organized violence can be justified if it’s used to stop harm or defend nations from any form of attacks. However, it becomes a wrong choice of action when used for greed, revenge, or governmental power. In today’s world, governments often follow the consequentialism model, believing that war can be truly acceptable if it leads to peace and stability. The Encyclopedia of Philosophy explains that “war can be reasoned from the fact that their existence and activity is not part of the essence of war, which is the killing of combatants.” (Excerpt 2, Encyclopedia & Philosophy “Just War Theory”, pg 1) This part of Just War Theory, known as Jus Ad Bellum, connects the idea of war being morally wrong (intrinsicism) with the idea that it can be justified by the results of it (consequentialism). It recognized that war is evil but allows only under strict moral limits/rules.

People often refuse to fight in unjust wars and that takes courage. Some people see it as cowardice, but it takes more courage to stand for injustice than to follow orders blindly. Tho people should be able to refuse/make the choice to not fight in unjust wars. But it comes with possible consequences for the country.The facing history reading in between war and peace shows how individuals often struggle between loyalty to their nation and loyalty to their moral beliefs. While mass refusal might weaken a nation during war, it can also force leaders to act more responsibly and rethink unjust actions. True braveness sometimes means holding one’s country accountable. In the end, the choice of refusal in an unjust war is not about the weakness of the person, but about choosing humanity and peace over violence. When people refuse to support injustice, it can make changes in the world and history as well. Allowing nations to look towards peace instead of choosing war, in general it reminds us that real courage is when you’re on the battlefield but those who tend to stand up for what they believe is right and wrong.

Philosopher Jeff McMahan argues that we must stop reassuring soldiers that they act permissibly when they fight in an unjust war. I agree with him because if the war itself is unjust, fighting in it cannot be fully moral, no matter how honorably soldiers behave. However, soldiers often do not choose which war they fight in, and many still act with compassion and restraint. The Encyclopedia of Philosophy article on Jus in Bello notes on how soldiers must “avoid further bloodshed or to secure a quicker victory….rather than drag innocents and noncombatants into bloody and protracted warfare: his threats were often successful for he brought the reality of death home to the leaders.” (Excerpt 2, Encyclopedia & Philosophy “Just War Theory”, pg 2) These rules allow soldiers to act more humanely even when the broader conflict is wrong, showing that morality can exist even in small acts during war.

In the end, Just War Theory helps us understand that while war can sometimes be necessary, it is never something to celebrate. It should only be used when most peaceful solutions seem to fail, the goal is to protect human life, and it is the last resort to solve the conflict. Both soldiers and citizens face moral choices during wartime, and even when it’s hard to keep humanity alive in moments of conflicts.

ChickenBurger
Dorchester Center, MA, US
Posts: 5

Originally posted by funny bunny on October 14, 2025 21:35

I don’t think that war is always wrong since there can be some cases where violence is necessary, but I also don’t think it should be a first resort. I think that the only time it can be justified is when it is in defense of a nation or group of people attacking another nation or group of people, or when it is used to protect the civilians of a nation or group. I don’t think that we can fully believe just the intrinsicism model or the consequential model, while instead I think we should believe a mixture of both models. War is always morally wrong since it causes the loss of lives, but sometimes it is needed as a last resort option. In addition to this, I think that the permissible reasons for war in the Just War Theory leaves too many factors up to debate since these reasons can vary from situation to situation, which is mentioned in excerpt 1 of Jus Ad Bellum as they say that the “inherent problem with both ethical models is that they become either vague or restrictive when it comes to war.” Having all of these reasons that can vary from situation to situation makes it a little bit pointless because it doesn’t defeat any discussions about the cause of the war, which would happen even if there were no permissible reasons for war in the first place.


I think that the participation of citizens in unjust war efforts should be up to the citizens themselves since they are usually forced to participate in the efforts if the reasons for waging the war are just. In Between Peace and War, the article mentions how the people who are drawn into war without a choice are the ones who suffer the most from the war, and I agree with this since they are risking their lives without being able to control whether or not they want to or if they even agree with the war efforts. No matter if the reasons for the war are seen as just or unjust, I think that the citizens of the warring nations should be able to decide whether or not they want to support the war, rather than them being forced to do it just because they live in the nation. With this being said, I also think that it takes courage to not fight in defense of your nation or to not fight in a war you think is morally wrong since you have to go against the leading belief of fighting for your country. This connects to the conformity that we have talked about in unity 1, and not fighting for the nation would be an example of going against the group conformity of fighting for the nation no matter what you think of the war, and that takes true courage. I also feel like it demonstrates courage since it shows that the citizen is fine with taking any punishments that come with not fighting for the nation, as it could cause them to be exiled or seen as a traitor or public enemy to the nation.


I don’t fully agree with McMahan’s idea since I don’t think there is fully a way for soldiers to act honorably in war since that is also subjective to each person. Some soldiers in the war have no choice but to fight in the war since that is their job and sometimes the repercussions are worse than just following the orders, while in other cases it is easier for the soldier to not participate in the war effort if they don’t agree with it. I think the rules of the war semi assist the soldiers in acting morally as the rules show the set of morals that should never be crossed, but also the soldiers can always go against these rules if they are following the orders of their leader and they tell them to do so.

I found your response very interesting and I heavily related to many of the points that you mentioned. For example, I completely agree with the point that war can and has been necessary, but should never be seen as a first resort. I believe that war should always be used as the very last resort and only waged unless absolutely necessary. I also agreed with your point that we should not take just an intrinsic or consequential model of approach, and we should instead mold the two together and use both to determine if a war is truly justified. However, I disagree with your point about citizens always having the choice to participate in war, as this is not very practical in a real life scenario. There are very few people across the globe that would willingly risk their lives and sanity by going to war for their country. While drafts and conscription may not be the best solution, there must be some way that a nation going to war gets soldiers, even if the soldiers themselves do not want to. That being said, if the war that is being fought is unjust or unfair, it should be considered as basic human nature for the citizen to not want to participate in the battle. This relates to your point that there really is no proper way for soldiers in war to fully act humanely, as they are killing or at least trying to kill the “enemy”.

abrahamlincoln2.0
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 5

Originally posted by ChickenBurger on October 14, 2025 17:07

The Just War theory is a very crucial and notable theory that plays an important role in the topic of war, and murder. War is a very horrible and disgusting thing, and no ordinary or sane person truly deserves to die, and no group of people ever deserves. However, this does not mean that war cannot and has not been justified. War usually is started by two massive nations either to boast the size of their armies, or to collect resources or land for their nation. Within this, the allies and smaller nations that surround these large countries often join whichever nation they perceive as the winner or the most likely that would benefit themselves. Wars are often started for unjustifiable reasons, boasting the size of armies or to collect resources or land for their nation falling under that category. For war to be considered justifiable however, it must be started to protect an oppressed or weaker group or to stop a tyrannical or evil power. This has never truly been achieved in the real world. The nation declaring war may have used this as their reasoning, but behind the curtains, they are joining this battle for reasons that benefit themselves and their people, and helping others is just an accessory of the fact. When a nation wages a war, they often conscript civilians or have a draft. This raises the question, should one willingly participate in war for their country if they know that the war is being fought for unjust reasons? The short answer is yes. The nation will often push a nationalist agenda during this time, looking to fire up its people and get them “in the mood” to fight. This often works, but one must stop and think about what they are doing and why they are doing it. The war often does not even benefit the common folk, and instead makes the higher elites even richer than they were before. The government also often punishes those who refuse to participate or flee the draft, labeling them as “deserters” or “defecters” and preaching that they do not love their country and their people. In reality, it is the exact opposite of what the government is saying. These people actually care about their country and people more than almost anyone, as they know that the war being waged is unjust, and that it will only result in unnecessary deaths for the citizens of their country. In Facing History’s Between War and Peace it discusses the concept of a conscientious objector and the role they play during war, “Only a few men refused to fight. They declared themselves conscientious objectors—people who refuse to serve in or aid the military for religious or moral reasons… ‘The greatest difficulty was the purely psychological one of resisting mass suggestion, of which the force becomes terrific when the whole nation is in a state of collective excitement.’ Almost everywhere, conscientious objectors were imprisoned for refusing to fight. Russell was no exception.” This shows how the government and army can stir up excitement for an incoming war and get people to enlist and join the war effort, when in reality the war only makes the elites richer while killing and crippling millions of innocent and unknowing soldiers and civilians.

The most compelling part about your response is how it blends intrinsicism and consequentialism . You started off your piece by saying how war is always wrong, which aligns with the ideas of intrinsicism. However, you made an interesting point by saying how war can and has been justified, which leads more towards war the ideas of consequentialism. This is interesting because it shows the importance of both ideologies’ presence in modern day. Intrinsicism, although strict, allows war to be fully thought out before it is waged, while consequentialism allows war to remain as unharmful and undamaging as possible. One thing I disagree with though is how you said that, even if a nation wages war for unjust reasons, that the people of that nation should still have to fight in it. I believe that, if the people of a nation believe the war is built upon unjust reasons, they should and have the right to not participate in the fight. Despite this though, you backed up your claim very well, saying that good civilians wouldn’t endanger the people of their nation by not fighting in war. Thus, your response has extremely insightful ideas and it was relatively easy and clear to understand.

user1234567
Boston, Massachusetts , US
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Just War Theory

Just Ad Bellum, the ideas of justified war discusses things like necessity, ethics, morality, and reasoning behind war. Justifying war can be hard, lots of world leaders have started war because of need for power, or land. I think ethics in war is a large factor to its justifiability. If someone has bad intentions in starting the war, something that can be avoided, and is only materialistically beneficial to the attacking side, it is unjustifiable. However, there are different reasons for a war that are justifiable, defense and retaliation. If you know that a country is going to attack you, waiting to get attacked is pointless. Attacking first, in order to either stop or postpone their attack is justified, because you are taking precaution. As well, if a country attacks you, it is difficult to not retaliate. Retaliation shows that you won't just get attacked, and do nothing about it, you stand up for your country. However, I think it is also arguable that retaliation is a bad idea because it continues the cycle of retaliation, prolonging a war. If a country retaliates from their attack, it is likely that country will retaliate against the retaliation adn the cycle will continue. I think that war is morally wrong, but that there are some exceptions. When an unjust war prolongs, citizens of the nation will most likely fight for their country. Fighting in a war is brave, and not everyone does it. However, these people who don't fight in the war could be exceptions to the law, except because of religion, or beliefs. I think that not fighting for your nation when you believe it is morally wrong is not cowardice at all. Most people fight in war for their country, but they also receive praise and the feeling of patriotism, and post war being able to say you fought. It takes a lot to not conform to what and why everyone else is fighting in war. When you don't believe in the reason for the war, you shouldn't have to fight for it, and especially to go against what everyone else is doing is hard. It is hard to have a different opinion, but harder to act on that different opinion and not conform. On the other hand, if half of the nation does not agree with the war, and chooses not to fight, there is a severe lack of people fighting in the war, adn then there is less of just one side to conform to. However, I think that in war, most people chose to be patriotic, and a large part of the nation choosing not to fight is not realistic. When in war, it is also hard to decide what you want to conform to. Lots of soldiers engage in the idea of mob mentality, they are in a rage of patriotism, fighting for their country, and being led by a leader, it is hard to not get out of control. In the time of war, soldiers who act according to morality laws I think can be honorable. Even though you still have to kill and fight in a war, it is honorable to not take advantage of their position in war.

applebeesandthesevenseas
boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 5

While in war, I believe the intrinsicism model is one of the strongest moral approaches. War causes immense trauma, fatalities and overlooked damage, both psychological and physical. While it may appear a quick and simple way to sort out conflict, in reality it rarely is this quick or effective. The damages caused by war are far deeper than a single number of deaths, as it results in disrupted fighters, families, communities, and so much more. Wars additionally tend to create more damage and harm innocent individuals who have no role in perpetrating the war, but simply happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.


However, solely following one of these models, such as intrinsicism, is restrictive and leaves little room for adjustments. When fighting in a war if you attach this right or wrong attitude to everything they may act without purpose and be unable to stand for moral beliefs. As stated in “Excerpt 1: Just War Theory-Just Ad Bellum (Encyclopedia of Philosophy)”, “The nature of war is not so clean cut when military targets can be hidden amongst civilian centers.” This reminds us how following one belief can not always be so easy to follow and doing so may cause further damage.


For these reasons I believe in life it is always essential to additionally consider consequentialist views. As in life, decisions and moments aren’t just completed actions, they have affect on others and they have meaning. When going through life it is understanding the complexity of the consequences and impact of actions that help us make the best moral judgments and reflections.


In this way, Jus Ad Bellum is like a bridge between these models. As it helps to capture the situationalisms of both these models and war in general. War is complex and often is a result of countless motives. The Jus Ad bellum model helps to create room for understanding how to effectively use it in important matters such as self defense. Jus Ad Bellum brings up the important idea that the discussion behind war and the ethics of it stretch far beyond the battlefield. The Excerpt 1: Just War Theory-Jus Ad Bellum (Encyclopedia of Philosophy) finished off with the words, “war is a complicated issue and the principles are nonetheless a useful starting point for ethical examination and they remain a guide for both statesman and women and for those who judge political proceedings," which reminds us how the principles of Jus Ad Bellum can apply to life and help humans in consideration.


The individuals' affect and approach on war is also mentioned in the Just War theory. There is a huge difference between fighting morally and fighting without moral consideration. In something as large scale as a war not all blame can be placed on individuals, but their decisions can always have a moral impact. In an unjust war, it would be morally right for citizens to refuse to fight. However with authority, pressure, and worries about individual safety it is often too difficult to place blame on each person who chooses to participate. For this reason it is the people who stand up as conscious objects and don’t participate that are the strongest. Through our recent lesson we can see it requires extreme strength to go against the crowd. For example while watching the movie Die Welle, almost everyone ended up following each other, simply because of the pressure, creating a collective issue. And only a few individuals were able to resist and stand up for what is right. The passage Between Peace and War, describes this inner struggle for many in the time of war, “The greatest difficulty was the purely psychological one of resisting mass suggestion, of which the force becomes terrific when the whole nation is in a state of collective excitement”. So while it is often harmful to place blame on individuals for following along, it is important to honor and reward those who have the strength to stand out.
applebeesandthesevenseas
boston, Massachusetts, US
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Originally posted by purplegiraffe_15 on October 14, 2025 12:45

The battlefield, during times of war, is often viewed as a lawless land where there only exists plunder, destruction, and violence. Just War Theory serves as a mediator between morality and the horrific nature of war, which describes a set of rules that need to be obeyed in order for a war to be fought as ethically as possible. It is split into justices before, during, and after a war: Jus Ad Bellum, Jus In Bello, and Jus Post Bellum. Jus Ad Bellum states that the purpose of war must have a righteous cause, that it is declared by authority, that it has a chance of success, and that the severity of warfare used is proportional to the goal. The rules of Jus Ad Bellum have blurred lines, as any nation can state that their reason for going to war is a just one and therefore morally correct. Realistically, the consequentialist model of war will always rule the world because humans have a tendency towards violence to resolve irreparable conflicts. Although Jus Ad Bellum does appeal to morally correct reasons to permit war, its rules are too ambiguous and need interpretation. Therefore, in the chaos and confusion of war, people will unite under a common cause to destroy the enemy to protect themselves and their cause. Psychologically, humans will focus on the survival of their own in-groups (in this case, their country) and would rather prefer the destruction of other countries for their own self-preservation. In order to act with proper moral intent, it is required that we “think about what is proper and it is not certain that not acting in self interest is necessarily the proper thing to do” (Just War Theory). So, although it is important to leave room for empathy for the enemy, it’s not guaranteed that the enemy won’t attack with the same mindset. Therefore it can be better to act in self-interest to protect your group rather than empathize with an enemy. Just Ad Bellum only scratches the surface of the complexities of going to war, but does suggest insightful ideas into leaning towards a more intrinsic view of a consequentialist-dominated world.

There are conscientious objectors that, no matter the circumstances, refuse to fight in war because they believe that war is inherently wrong. Although they hold this belief, nations still shouldn’t offer citizens the option to participate in the war effort. Specifically, they should require that citizens fight in the war. People are neurologically conditioned to be repelled by killing. If citizens are given an option, rather than required to fight in war, then there will be significantly less combatants. Not only are people scared to kill, but they are scared to be killed in war. The number of soldiers, driven by the cause of the war and patriotic motivations, will pale in comparison to the number of citizens that refuse to fight. As a result, the country will be fighting a war that they have no chances of winning. These consequences aren’t realistic for a nation to accommodate for its citizens because they will be exhausting lives and resources without being able to put up a fight. It takes more courage to not fight in a war you believe is morally wrong because you then face mass public condemnation for avoiding the war. To be able to resist the pressure requires a strong resolve in your own beliefs.

While reading your response I appreciated your straightforwardness alongside the descriptive wording you used. Specifically in the beginning, I valued your description of war as a "lawless land." Your words bring out valuable points about society as a whole and the actions of individuals. However I do think you could go more in depth about the morals behind war and decisions pertaining to war, and possible reflect your own view on these matters. I was interested in the points that you brought up that "humans have a tendency towards violence," but also that "People are neurologically conditioned to be repelled by killing" these are both interesting points and I would love to hear more on how you believe they may work alongside each other in war. I was also further intrigued with your suggestion that everybody should be put to fight despite individual moral objections. This made me wonder if such things were allowed, how would catastrophe and horrid human acts be prevented. Wouldn't silencing these conscientious objectors prevent an important moral outlook on war? My response found importance in these objectors and on individual viewpoints while yours viewed them in a way as a nuisance. Our views in the light of this discussion were very different and I appreciate reading your response. It was well written, but I believe you could go deeper and explain your views further.

bigdah7
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Originally posted by D4T4ZOID on October 14, 2025 10:31

Personally I believe that despite a moral standpoint there should be a better means to resolve intense conflict without physical violence, It is simply not a logical expectation. There are and always will be people who prefer resolving conflicts by the means they see fit, the “If you hit me, I will hit back” mentality. Now I would not say that war is always wrong in the means that it can not bring benefits to a civilization, to quote the text Excerpt 1: Just War Theory-Jus Ad Bellum (Encyclopedia of Philosophy) it states that "intrinsicists may claim that possessing a just cause is a sufficient condition for pursuing whatever means are necessary to gain victory or to punish an enemy.” I agree that just wars have their reasons and benefits despite the losses it causes, but that is simply the nature of being part of a nation. In a twisted light it's something normalized, especially in history. I feel like both the intrinsicist and consequentialist models are present in the modern world. In a way they both balance each other out without being two completely separate ideals. Most would like to agree that war is morally wrong, from the killing to mental taxing mindset it does to the people it affects. But can be justified if the war is being fought more or less fairly for a good reason to back it up. Having to take the good with the bad. It is why many would say they either lean to one side or the other, if not right in the middle. Not to say that war is not morally wrong, but the actions itself can be justified. Connecting the first two questions, another thing to be considered is the topics considering the Geneva Convention and the things it brings. In other words the rules in place to make sure a war is justifiable in the first place. To make sure that no matter who you see the value of war or not, those who have nothing to do with it are not getting affected by it in the first place. Even to the people who are in the war itself are being treated fairly, like if you're an injured soldier you'd be protected and not expected to fight to your fullest capabilities while making your pain greater. It takes courage to take part in a just war, but when the table is turned and the fighting's purpose turns into something you don't believe or agree with logically or morally it also takes courage to work against that. Upbringings and revolts to show your standing, to even the smallest acts of simply refusing to partake in a war. The point of war in the first place is to show what you believe in and fight for it, so acting against it should give the same courage. No matter the standpoint or the reason behind it, though I will admit that even that can be debatable depending on the context of the revolt or fight in the first place. All and all what seems to be recurring is that morality and acting is a kind of balancing act, and depends on how you and the masses use it.

I feel that the idea that stands out is one that all violence should be resolved without physical violence. I feel like this idea is correct, but not feasible in all circumstances. For example if some country attacks another, the attacked country should not lead to discussions, they should retaliate. I feel like this can be applied on a personal scale, but not when thousands of lives are at risk. We agree on the fact that war is not good, and that the Geneva Conventions are necessary for regulating violence on a world scale. I agree with the fact that standing up for what you believe and not participating in war is brave, but some people are not allowed to do so.But we disagree on the necessity of war. I believe that war is necessary in some circumstances. We agree on the fact that both models of decision making exist in the world, however I feel that the intrinsic model is better suited to the modern world. I feel you could elaborate on the last few sentences, what do you mean by a moral balancing act, and what is the point of war in your opinion? In general I feel that this was very well written.

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Originally posted by raybradbury12 on October 14, 2025 10:30


I think that war is one of the biggest moral paradoxes of humanity as it can be both a desperate attempt to secure peace, justice and democracy and the deadliest expression of mass violence and murder. The question of whether or not war can ever be justified is very closely related to the Just War Theory. It serves as a bridge between two extreme moral views, the intrinsic belief that war is always wrong and the realist view that it depends on the outcomes of the war. While I believe war is undeniably wrong as it causes so much suffering, the Just War Theory offers a kind of framework to ensure that if war absolutely needs to occur, it does so for ethical reasons that are for the betterment of the population and with moral restraint.


According to the Encyclopedia of Philosophy's discussion of Jus ad Bellum, “ a just war must be fought for a just cause - typically, self defense or the defense of others against aggression”. This idea shows that while war is tragic, passiveness in the face of violence or attack can also be immoral. The intrinsic model says that violence is inherently bad but the modern world has many situations, like genocides and invasions, where intervention may be necessary to prevent greater harm. Just War Theory attempts to bridge these two by allowing war only when all the other peaceful alternatives have been exhausted and when the intentions behind going to war are genuinely just.


However, how to determine what counts as just cause is very complex as it is a very subjective definition. As the start of World War 1 showed, the justification of the war is often influenced by nationalist and groupthink. When Germany invaded neutral Belgium, many people who opposed war actually supported their nation’s cause. In In Between War and Peace, Bertrand Russell condemned this shift, observing that “the greatest difficulty was the purely psychological one of resisting mass suggestion, of which the force becomes terrific when the whole nation is in a state of collective excitement.” Russell's experience shows how easily morals can be overwhelmed by a sort of mob mentality and nationalistic movement and sentiment. His defense and praise of conscientious objectors, or those who refuse to fight on moral grounds, shows that resisting war can sometimes require greater courage than actually putting up your life to join. He wrote that conscientious objectors "don't believe that violence can cure violence". This shows that their belief in mankind, even across “enemy lines” persists.


Russell’s stance is definitely more intrinsic and believes that one’s moral integrity shouldn’t be compromised even in wartime. But through the cases and scenarios, it showed that there is a huge social cost in pacifism. If every citizen were to follow personal conscience over defense of their country, a nation would become completely defenseless against aggression. This conflict shows why Just War Theory is so important. It offers a middle ground that shows moral reflection is needed while also protection of a country is needed. Finally, the Just War Theory does not glorify war, and instead is an attempt to regulate and limit it. It shows entire nations and also individuals that moral responsibility should not completely disappear in times of conflict or even aggression.

After reading my peer’s post, I thought it was very well written and put together, while answering the questions very clearly and in a way that gives analysis and evidence to back up their points. I agree with everything they said, especially wanting to point out what they talked about in their first paragraph. I thought it was good that they tried to explain the difference between war and the just war theory to make it understandable that they are similar, but different in a way. In their first paragraph they say, “I believe war is undeniably wrong as it causes so much suffering, the Just War Theory offers a kind of framework to ensure that if war absolutely needs to occur, it does so for ethical reasons that are for the betterment of the population and with moral restraint,” which stands out to me because I agree with this and in my response I said a similar aspect, if war has to happen, it will for the better of the world and the population of our society.

There are ideas in other posts that relate to something suggested in my peer’s post because most people said, “war is not a good thing, but sometimes it is necessary to happen,” which in my opinion I also agree with. In most cases war should only happen if it has to or if it will make the world better in certain situations. But overall, I think the only reason war is necessary is when something needs to happen or occur.

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The intrinsicism model states that we always must act morally, no matter what the circumstances are. That our morals rule over everything else. Intrinsicism holds that taking someone’s life is inherently wrong regardless of the result. Through war, unavoidable suffering is caused; psychological, physical and social harm is committed that can’t be justified because the people will forever live with the consequences of the actions of the powerful. An example of an intrinsic leader was Martin Luther King Jr.; he believed that you could not achieve peace through violence. He embodied moral absolutism completely and advocated vocally for nonviolence. On the other hand, a consequentialism model, as explained in an excerpt from the Encyclopedia of Philosophy on ‘Just War Theory’, states that, “if military victory is sought then all methods should be employed to ensure it is gained at a minimum of expense and time” (Just War Theory). They believe that war prevents worse suffering if done in a swift manner with uncertain outcomes. These outcomes can be used to excuse atrocities like mass murder or bombing by stating everything is done for the “greater good” of society as a whole and not on an individual level. I believe that I do not agree with either model completely, but instead with the middle ground. War is morally tragic but sometimes necessary. We have to judge both the reason for war and the behavior conducted during the war. I believe that killing is wrongful but we, as citizens of a country, have a duty to protect it during hardships. The Just War Theory is a nice balance between both models because although war has a huge moral cost, it still sets limits to when it can occur. If only all of our political leaders would be able to follow it.

As a Catholic, the Catholic teachings uphold the sanctity of all human life which aligns with the intrinsicist belief, however, St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas developed Just Ad Bellum stating that war is permissible under certain conditions. It is very difficult to choose one model because both reflect parts of Catholic morality. I must seek the just outcome in an imperfect world. Ultimately, making my view of war as a terrible failure of humanity that sometimes demands moral responsibility over purity.

The permissible reasons for war do act as a bridge between the two philosophical ideas because it recognizes that war is morally wrong while allowing for moral preconditions; those conditions include: just cause, right intention, and last resort. These guidelines work as a moral checkpoint before violence however, leaders in our world today do not stick to it as much as they should and aren’t being regulated. We go straight to violence to show our opponents how strong we are and psychologically, violence is more entertaining than resolving issues in a diplomatic way.

I believe that soldiers face dual loyalties, both to their country and their conscience. The question of whether it takes more courage not to fight in defense of your nation, or if it is cowardice to fight in a war one believes is morally wrong, stems from both fear and principle, depending on the context. This isn’t just a question on fighting or refusing, it is rooted even deeper. Fighting to protect innocent civilians is courageous, but so is refusing an unjust war based on moral values. In my opinion, true moral courage is acting according to your conscience, whether that means going to war or standing against it. There is also immense strength that needs to be seen when making these decisions. You can be morally strong and refuse to fight, but you will become the odd-man-out. If you follow orders from your superiors, it doesn't absolve the moral accountability however, not agreeing can be seen as a moral weakness. In conclusion, immense moral courage lies in both situations, but in the end, what does your conscience say?

ilovelexi23
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Originally posted by user1234567 on October 16, 2025 08:40

Just Ad Bellum, the ideas of justified war discusses things like necessity, ethics, morality, and reasoning behind war. Justifying war can be hard, lots of world leaders have started war because of need for power, or land. I think ethics in war is a large factor to its justifiability. If someone has bad intentions in starting the war, something that can be avoided, and is only materialistically beneficial to the attacking side, it is unjustifiable. However, there are different reasons for a war that are justifiable, defense and retaliation. If you know that a country is going to attack you, waiting to get attacked is pointless. Attacking first, in order to either stop or postpone their attack is justified, because you are taking precaution. As well, if a country attacks you, it is difficult to not retaliate. Retaliation shows that you won't just get attacked, and do nothing about it, you stand up for your country. However, I think it is also arguable that retaliation is a bad idea because it continues the cycle of retaliation, prolonging a war. If a country retaliates from their attack, it is likely that country will retaliate against the retaliation adn the cycle will continue. I think that war is morally wrong, but that there are some exceptions. When an unjust war prolongs, citizens of the nation will most likely fight for their country. Fighting in a war is brave, and not everyone does it. However, these people who don't fight in the war could be exceptions to the law, except because of religion, or beliefs. I think that not fighting for your nation when you believe it is morally wrong is not cowardice at all. Most people fight in war for their country, but they also receive praise and the feeling of patriotism, and post war being able to say you fought. It takes a lot to not conform to what and why everyone else is fighting in war. When you don't believe in the reason for the war, you shouldn't have to fight for it, and especially to go against what everyone else is doing is hard. It is hard to have a different opinion, but harder to act on that different opinion and not conform. On the other hand, if half of the nation does not agree with the war, and chooses not to fight, there is a severe lack of people fighting in the war, adn then there is less of just one side to conform to. However, I think that in war, most people chose to be patriotic, and a large part of the nation choosing not to fight is not realistic. When in war, it is also hard to decide what you want to conform to. Lots of soldiers engage in the idea of mob mentality, they are in a rage of patriotism, fighting for their country, and being led by a leader, it is hard to not get out of control. In the time of war, soldiers who act according to morality laws I think can be honorable. Even though you still have to kill and fight in a war, it is honorable to not take advantage of their position in war.

In my peers post, the most compelling idea they had was their focus on war ethics and the morality of it. They discussed whether or not war is justifiable, which is similar to what I said. I think talking about the intentions behind war is compelling. War intentions are more important then the outcome, which I agree with. When leaders have the power to declare a war, it is important that they are not corrupt and it is important for them to have good intentions. The idea that striking first can be justified if it means that there would be less harm later. I think that is is interesting as you talked about people chosen to fight in war. I agree with you, that someone who doesn't believe in that war and doesnt want to fight in it doesnt make them cowardice, instead it shows moral courage. The strength to stand up against many people for what you believe in isn't cowardice but it is brave. Society can have a lot of pressure on people and refusing to fight because of you religion or any other beliefs is important and powerful. You also talked about soldiers in war and the forceful feeling to listen to their leaders and peers and do as they do even if you feel like it is wrong. I would have talked further on the pressure of society, when an army leader is telling you to do something it is extremely difficult for them to go against those orders even if it is important to them personally to not participate in a war like that.

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