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Ms. Bowles
US
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Questions to Consider:


Please use the following quote and questions as a guide for your post. You should also refer directly to the documentary of the Milgram experiment that we viewed as a class as well. You can choose to focus on one of the question sets, or to incorporate several of them into your response.


Sociologist Zygmunt Bauman writes: “The most frightening news brought about by the Holocaust and by what we learned of its perpetrators was not the likelihood that ‘this’ could be done to us, but the idea that we could do it.”


1. Do you think that everyone has the potential to become a perpetrator of violence against others? What do the Milgram experiments suggest about the aspects of human behavior that could make it possible for us to willingly inflict pain on others?


2. Do you think that experiments like Milgram’s actually explain ordinary people’s active participation in violence, mass atrocities and genocide? What are the other factors that may come into play? What else, beside the blind following of authority, contributes to some people's willingness to inflict pain on others?


3. What are some of the important factors and perhaps even personality traits that led the ‘teachers’ in the Milgram experiment to disobey the ‘experimenters’ commands to continue to shock the ‘learner’? Can we attempt to create societies that value and encourage the traits of people who disobey unethical authority figures? Is there danger in that as well?


Word Count Requirement: 500-750 words



Readings to Reference:


Please refer to the ideas, either using a quote or paraphrasing, from at least one of the readings in your response.


A Matter of Obedience? (Facing History and Ourselves)


Rethinking one of Psychology’s most infamous experiments (Cari Romm, 2015)


How the Nazi’s Defense of “Just Following Orders” Plays Out in the Mind (Joshua Barajas, 2016)


The Real Lesson of the Stanford Prison Experiment (Maria Korrinkova, 2015)



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user1234567
Boston, Massachusetts , US
Posts: 3
Experiments like Milgram's explains ordinary peopels participation in violence, specifically in genocide. In the Milgram study, the men are initially nervous when they hear the pain they are inflicting onto another person. From this reluctance they turn to the person in charge of the experiment with concern, at this moment they don’t want to continue the experiment. However, once the authoritative person tells them that they are not responsible for anything that happens during the experiment, they are less worried about the effects of their actions, showing that people are more concerned about their consequences than their actions. Once the teachers are aware they are freed of responsibility they continue with the experiment, some still hesitate but with firm, short commands from someone in a position of higher power they continue. Similarly, Nazis post WWII say that they only contributed and participated in these mass murders because they were told to by a higher power. Someone as powerful as Hitler, and people in similar places of power were obviously adamant about their beliefs; it is hard to go against them. Another factor is similar to the experiment, that even though they are reluctant, there is a relief of no responsibility. This is where I think the “mob mentality” plays, the Nazis influence was powerful because there were so many of them. However, because there was so many of them, there is no way to blame just one individual person, they are anonymous; in a mob their ideas, emotions, and maybe even excitement is intensified just by being with a large group of people, they are also being led by someone who is acknowledging that what they are doing is for good, all of these increase the likeness of the Nazis to be more blind when following authority, and less empathic of the people they are hurting. Another factor that went into the callous doing of the Nazis is because of cognitive dissonance. Even if a Nazi knew what they were doing, they could think “ya it's bad, but everyone is doing it” or “Hitler is in a higher position of power than me, he knows what he's talking about.” By doing this they are creating the idea in their head that what they are doing isn't that bad, or they are moving the responsibility of their actions onto the fact that it is “normal” because all the other Nazis are doing it, and following orders. Disobeying someone of higher authority is really difficult, especially in the circumstances of WWII, however for the people in the experiment they were not being forced, life or death, to do anything. When one man in the experiment was interviewed after the test was over he said “I was getting ready to walk out.” But he never really did. Being alone in a room with someone of higher authority puts enough pressure on him to stay and continue to inflict pain on someone. One man, however, did resist completely. I would characterize him as really brave, because defending your morals when you think there is no other option is rare. I think that people are taught to be independent, and stand up for what you believe in, but as shown in the experiment people didn't. I think that encouraging people to be more resilient and not just following along with any person, because a really important aspect to both WWII and the experiment is that, just because someone with higher power is telling you to do something, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
Critt3rsarer1zzy
East Boston, Mass, US
Posts: 3

Everyone has the potential to become a perpetrator of violence, because human behavior can be shaped by authority, distance, and the environment around us.We can see how ordinary people obeyed orders even when it meant causing harm. This sets the foundation for understanding other studies, like the Stanford Prison experiment, which also shows how easily people can slip into cruelty under the right conditions. Through Milgram’s experiment, conducted at Yale University, which placed participants in the roles of teachers and learners. It proved that not only people obeyed authority even when it meant harming others, but through the tone of voice that is provided by the one telling those what to do. “It is difficult to harm a person we touch…quite easy to be cruel towards a person we neither see nor hear… it is far easier to maltreat others if they are personal strangers…especially if we engage in rationalization processes of self-deception that serve to dehumanize them.” (A Matter of Obedience, Page 3-4) This shows how the circumstances of distance and dehumanization makes it a lot easier for ordinary people to hurt those they do not personally know. Together, these findings suggest that under the right conditions, obedience and emotional distance can push almost anyone towards evil violence. This idea is reinforced by another famous study: the Stanford Prison experiment. The Stanford Prison showed that some guards became abusive simply because the environment they were put in encouraged it and authority figures did not stop them. We as mammals through the source of nature, were created to be in groups. This natural instinct makes us more likely to follow the influence of others, especially in a group setting where there is always a leader. This often leads us to want to impress, please, or avoid angering authority figures. These experiments demonstrate that people may do harmful things in order to gain approval from those in power. “Occasionally, disputes…violating an explicit injunction against physical force…When the 'superintendent’ and ‘warden’ overlooked these incidents, the message to the guards was clear: all is well; keep going as you are.” (The Real Lessons of the Stanford Prison Experiment, Page 2) This shows people can slip into cruelty behaviors and mindset, if authority figures fail to restrain them from doing anything. In fact, the danger of obedience becomes even clearer when looking beyond experiments and into real history, such as the Holocaust. Through our nature of wanting to impress our leaders/authority figures, it disconnects our brains and body from knowing what is wrong and right. But is that really an excuse to use? I read the article " How the Nazi’s Defense of ‘Just Following Orders’ Plays out in the Mind”, which questions whether obedience can truly excuse someone's actions, especially considering how far the holocaust goes down into history. Nazi used the excuse of following orders to make people feel disconnected from their actions, a defense that attempted to shift responsibility away from individuals.“In particular, acting under orders caused participants to perceive a distance from the outcome that they themselves caused…people actually feel disconnected from their actions when they comply with orders, even though they’re the ones committing the act.” (How the Nazi’s Defense of “Just Following Orders” Plays out in the Mind ,Page 1) This shows how obedience lets people commit harm without fully feeling responsible. However, recognizing this disconnection does not erase the moral responsibility of their choices. Instead, it reminds us that while obedience can explain behavior, it cannot justify cruelty. The Milgram experiment suggests that human behavior can be deeply influenced by authority, distance, and the way harm is carried out. These factors reveal how ordinary people, under the right circumstances, can willingly cause pain on others without fully realizing the weight of their own actions. Obedience to authority pushes people to harm others. Most people when they are placed under the direction of someone they view as powerful (authority figures) or credible, they often silence their own moral doubts, will, and choice of decisions. The pressure to obey creates a sense that disobedience is worse than the act of harm itself. “But that same year Stanley Milgram, a Yale University psychologist, conducted a series of famous experiments that tested whether “ordinary” folks would inflict harm on another person after following orders from an authoritative figure. Shockingly, the results suggested any human was capable of a heart of darkness.”(How the Nazi’s Defense of “Just Following Orders” Plays out in the Mind, Page 1) This shows that simply following authority can lead ordinary people to commit harm. What makes this even more concerning is that obedience often happens automatically, and it does not require the person to be cruel by nature. Instead, it shows how fragile our sense of morality can be when pressured by someone in power. This transitions us into another factor: distance and indirect harm. We choose to believe that when we don’t know someone personally, we could care less about them, which creates indirect methods of harm to reduce guilt and responsibility. Situations similar to this mindset happen a lot in everyday life, like for example, when bystanders refuse to step in during an emergency because they assume “someone else will help.” This type of detachment makes it easier to ignore the suffering of others, especially when there is no personal connection or face-face interaction. “Russell and Gregory also believe that the way the harm is inflicted would affect the willingness of individuals to do it…they point out that the shock generator was a technological and indirect way… rather than using “direct physical force.” (A Matter of Obedience, Page 4) this suggests people will go further when the violence feels less personal. In the end, Milgram’s experiments remind us that potential for cruelty lies not only in individuals, but in the systems and environments that shape their choices. Recognizing this is the first step in making sure obedience does not excuse harm, and distance does not allow us to forget our responsibility to others.


987654321
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 3

Everyone does have the potential to become a perpetrator of violence, with the exception of some more than others. Morals and values are what every person follows, but some people are taught to follow different morals than others and this is all based on experiences someone underwent or the way they were taught. It is how people live their lives. So this raises the question of what causes people to break their moral values? Is it just because an authority figure tells you to do so? The Milgram experiment suggests that humans tend to go against what they think is right if a higher power is instructing them to do so. In the case of the Holocaust, participants in the Nazi program contributed to mass murder and severe persecution, with some even acting out of order and purely causing harm because they wanted to(Reading: A Matter of Obedience). Illustrated in the Milgram experiment and Nazi programs, people were more likely to cause harm to others if they were not the ones responsible. This also can contribute to the ideas we discussed in class about conformity and following directions from higher authority. People don’t want to go against what leaders say, so they instead do as told to avoid problems with themselves. Milgram’s experiment is a good way to explain ordinary people’s participation in violence. The experiment showed the idea of blind following authorities, but people are more likely to follow instructions if the authority figure gives clear, consistent directions. When the instructor was repeatedly telling the teacher to continue the shocks, he ended up continuing to do so. I also believe that if an individual is given a higher power position, like being able to inflict pain onto another with no consequence, they want to exercise this newfound power because they don’t usually experience being a leader. In the article, “Rethinking One of Psychology’s Most Infamous Experiments,” an Australian psychologist claims that some parts of Milgram’s experiment would have altered the outcome of the experiment like the teachers being aware that the student was actually okay or the participants not being debriefed. Despite these accusations, the findings of Milgram’s experiment still can prove that people will obey any orders from an authority figure, even if they are harming others. Some important factors that led the “teacher” in the Milgram experiment to disobey the experimenter’s commands of continuing to harm the student was that they could hear the student yelling in pain which I believe triggers someone into stopping the pain they are inflicting. This isn’t true for all cases because another teacher continued to send the shocks after the experimenter told them that if the student was harmed, the learner would not be at fault. We can attempt to create a society that encourages disobedience to unethical authority figures, but this ideal society does have its dangers. If someone stands up against an unjust figure, most likely the figure will suppress the protestors speech and shun them from society. Dangerous consequences include punishment and pain.

abrahamlincoln2.0
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 3

Stanley Milgrim’s experiment reveals that not everyone has the potential to become a perpetrator of violence against others, but that an alarming amount of people do. In this experiment, Milgrim tested hundreds of men to see how many of them would listen to an experimenter’s orders to continue the test, even if it hurt or killed the other participant. From this study, it was found that 65% of the participants went to 450 volts, the most severe shock they could give.

However, when looking at the men who disobeyed the experimenter’s orders and stopped the experiment early, it was found that one of the primary factors was the distance between the teacher and the learner. When placed closer to the learner, the teacher was less likely to go to the highest shock level because either the learner’s cries became more audible or the teacher would be instructed to hold the learner down to administer the shock. Milgrim explains how the teacher’s likelihood to stop the experiment was influenced by their concern of “alleviating their own, rather than the learner’s, stressful situation” (FHAO 8). Thus, the closer the learner was to the teacher, the more responsibility the teacher felt when shocking and injuring the learner, which ultimately pushed them towards stopping the experiment earlier. This concept is also known as situationalism which is “the idea that people’s behavior is determined largely by what’s happening around them” (Romm 22).

Adding onto this, some personality traits that contributed to teachers disobeying the experiment was how strongly they viewed themselves and their principles. It’s been proven that those who have weaker self perceptions are more likely to agree with group ideas and conform to societal standards. Thus, the same reasoning can be applied to this experiment, where it is probable that the men who went all the way to 450 volts were less sure and confident of what to do, ultimately leading them to thoughtlessly obey the experimenter’s orders. On the other hand, those who were more confident in themselves and had a stronger understanding of who they were found it easier to disobey the experimenter’s demands to continue shocking the learner because if they did not, it would align less with their values and self perception and cause them to feel extreme cognitive dissonance.

On that note, it is possible to create societies that encourage the traits of people to disobey unethical authority figures. As stated above, the core traits that allow people to openly go against their authority figures are their personal perceptions and morals. Depending on how strongly a person feels about their own character and values, the more cognitive dissonance they will feel. Thus, if a person who has a strong self image of being kind and protective follows an unethical leader who puts others in danger, then they are more likely to feel a heavy amount of cognitive dissonance since the actions they are following do not align with their morals. In contrast, if a person who has a weaker self image follows the same figure, they will feel less dissonance because they already have lower expectations for themselves. However, if everyone constantly stands up for what they believe in and goes against whoever they see is an unethical authority figure, it can lead to major disruption and chaos since there will no longer be a consensus or general idea of what classifies a person as unethical. This means that if we were to attempt to create a society that encourages going against unethical authority figures, it would be best to emphasize self growth and identification rather than praise standing going against unethical figures because it will allow people to understand their morals while still keeping a sense of obedience in place.

D4T4ZOID
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 2

I believe the Milgram’s experiment is a good example and accurate in the way the tasks given puts into effect one's morality, and in a way tests people's mental health with a link to self worth. Many factors get looked over when using the words mass atrocities and genocide, many off the bat like to believe they wouldn’t have a part in it. That though even if they “don’t have the power to do anything” they would at least not add fuel to the fire. But looking at how many act towards topics like Palestine in modern day, they tend to contradict themselves. For example in the reading A Matter of Obedience A quote that fits well with this topic is “It is difficult to harm a person we touch. It is somewhat easier to afflict pain upon a person we only see at a distance. It is still easier in the case of a person we only hear. It is quite easy to be cruel towards a person we neither see nor hear.” When one thinks of the word genocide most go to the extremes, like actively knowing your giving money to people who buy weapons and kill innocents. Because despite not seeing or hearing the people you'd be harming, it will still be on your conscience. But that's speaking from a moral standpoint, logistically you get nothing from it as well. But if the people, or company disguises their intentions behind plastic cups filled with expensive coffee that's a different story. You may hear about sed companies intentions, but you can easily blow it off, "It's just one cup, what's the harm it will cause? It’s not my problem.” Cup after cup the money you spend builds up, take that into account and multiply it by the people in front of you in line. Now think, what about the other store by the same company just a few blocks away? How many people are in those lines too, how much are they spending?

In today's society intentions are hidden by small tricks and treats that many can look over on, because it's something they want. Just like big companies who want raw material for their next phone or car design, who are willing to destroy and kill for land. Morality is tricky. Follow the norm, flip the switch, “who cares if the man on the other side gets shocked? He didn’t answer the question right, I’m simply doing as told.” Buy that coffee, it's in the seasonal flavor you've waited months for. “What the company does with my money doesn’t matter to me, it's not my problem.” This is the mentality of many, just like the people who took part in Milgram's experiment. Many with a low self worth look over factors like this too greatly. That is not to say everyone who has this mindset has a low sense of self, it's the fact that they are more prone to it. They believe that no matter what they do it wont make a difference, good

ilovelexi23
West Roxbury, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 3

The Milgram Experiment and Obedience Theory: Question 2

The Milgram experiment, along with other experiments similar to it, explains ordinary people's participation in violence, mass atrocities, and genocide. Milgram's Experiment shows how people can be easily controlled and influenced by any higher authority to inflict violence on another. There are several reasons for this, but overall, it is due to the sense of power that comes with authority. The experiment focused on how likely a person was to inflict pain on another when an authority figure instructed them to do so. Participants were all told the same thing, and they each seemed stressed out, but all listened at least for a while after being told there would be no physical damage to the person. The experiment shows what people are willing to do when they know they will not be responsible for what happens, and simply when an authority figure tells them to. His experiment explains why people participate in mass violence.

Many other factors come into play when people participate in violent acts. As seen in Milgram's experiment, when a teacher was told he would not be responsible for anything that happened to the man getting shocked, he continued inflicting harm on him, knowing the responsibility wouldn't be put on him. This shows that people's willingness to inflict pain on others can come from several reasons. Another example is social pressure/conformity; when everyone else is participating in violence, it is more likely for others to join the group to fit in. It is the social norm to follow rules, and humans obey authorities to be obedient. It is important to know when obedience should end so innocent people don't end up doing bad things, and innocent people don't get hurt. It was also seen in Stanley Milgram's authority that, due to the teacher's confusion, they would listen to what the authority was saying. Giving them really limited instructions with little detail made them obey orders more easily. Another factor that comes into play would be people obeying very simple, unharmful commands from authorities, and then authorities would have an easier time later making them obey harmful commands. As we see in the experiment, the commander gives short, clear, and firm commands in order to seem more powerful and make the people obey him, and it worked.

Overall, Milgram's work highlights the powerful influence authority has on people. It shows the danger of the influence they have over people, as it can create violence, as we saw in the video. The experiment, while it shows how they would act in situations, doesn't show the scariness of how it could lead to mass atrocities. These mass atrocities or any violent acts are usually influenced by psychological factors. This included conformity, human responsibility, and dehumanization. After watching this video and reading references on these ideas, it is clear that it is extremely easy to fall into the authority's orders and make bad decisions that can inflict harm on others. Stanley Milgram's experiment overall illustrates the reasons that people do these things and how it happens.

qwertyuiop
South Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 2
I really liked Zygmunt Bauman's quote about how the holocaust was scary because we as humans did it and it was someone with a conscience just like me and you who has friends and can live life similarly to me. It's shocking that so many people could collectively agree it's ok to harm and kill millions. Less that's ok but that's the norm. People on their own all know it's extremely immoral to purposefully hurt someone but all of the sudden when more people are doing it it's ok? It also makes me wonder if this means there are many evil people in the world or that this cruelty isn't limited to only bad people. The milligram experiment shows how even completely normal people can be, under certain circumstances, persuaded to harm others even when their consciousness tells them to stop. And it's their subconscious that even creates excuses on why it's not their fault and he's not the reason this awful thing is happening. It also scares me because that means anyone with the right directions will choose to harm me if I was put in this situation. Even people who would never hurt a fly could be coursed into possibly killing someone. Milgram's experiment shows how someone's violence does not only lie in their personality type but in the social structures and situations that encourage them. It also shows how the leader or authority figure is able to make these people believe they are doing it for the benefit of society, in this experiment the teachers were made to believe they aren't doing it to harm people but for the benefit of science and following official instructions this is how the Nazi party recruited so many people they used their justification of just following orders to horride their moral judgement. When someone else is in charge the person doing the action feels less accountable. Although Cari Romm’s take countered this and claimed that Milgram's experiment was not completely accurate because there were doubts, some of the teachers did not believe they were actually hurting the people or that a shock wasn't as harmful. Whereas in situations such as the holocaust there was no denying that they were harming someone. In real world genocides people are fully aware the harm is real and still do it. But honestly I chose to focus on the fact that the milligram study did offer some hope, not everyone obeyed. This also reminds me of when we talked in class how even one person who goes against the norm might help other people act out. I believe that critical thinking is one of the most important things for a person to do. Even now with what's going on in the world people need to be able to think for themselves and not just follow an authority figure or things could end up like they have in the past when people stop thinking individually. The Milram experiment shows the correlation between someone being “evil” and someone not being able to think for themselves on their own. Which is why I think people fall into this trap, it's easier to follow the lead of someone else then rock the boat, it's easier to be part of the group.
pinkbluegreen
Allston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 2

Yes, I do think everyone has the potential to became a perpetrator f violence against others. The Milgrim experiment shows that under the right circumstances and the right amount of authority you can coerce someone into just about anything. We’re taught that “authority” is inherently powerful and that we should obey those who have seemingly more respect and power. It also depends on your environment, there can be factors such as peer pressure, an attempt to “fit in”, or a controlled group dynamic where you’re a subordinate. Additionally when power dynamics are given and you assume that you’re inferior to the person in command, not only are you threatened and encouraged to listen but in some cases insecurities in yourself could increase the likelihood that we will be submissive or be resistant to the orders. I think it touches on the explanation that ordinary people can actively participate in violence, mass atrocities, and genocide because it shows how easily influenced we can be by our environment and the people around us. There’s a concept called the banality of evil in which people who actively participate in larger genocides may not have direct impact on the issue but still contribute in some way. I think it’s interesting to see that in this case it was out of free will while in most cases of mass atrocities people are pressured by bigger factors like money, threats, and to attempt to fit in. I also think besides the blind following authority in some cases people will loose their identity and individuality that causes them to inflict pain on others. Without a strong sense of self and confidence to outwardly defy higher authority is rarely seen especially if people don’t feel like they have control over their situation.Some important factors that teachers in the Milgrim experiment had to disobey the experimenters commands were a very confident and stern response. I think that most of the teachers were also aware of the damage and felt a lot of responsibility for the “student”. We can attempt to create societies that value and encourage the traits of people who disobey unethical authority figures. In reality that’s what’s been happening for centuries except the socially acceptable ‘norms’ are always changing. That’s why we always have different interpretations of religion and other aspects of human behavior because our values and moral obligations fluctuate with societies beliefs. I believe there is danger because if everyone began preaching the same thing it would then become morally acceptable to many others who previously thought they would never follow that belief. Especially if it’s forced upon by higher education or on younger audiences.

random
Dorchester, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 3

In Milgram’s experiment the goal was to have the teacher be convinced that the learner was getting shocked if they got the pair of words wrong. The learner was assigned to buzz the wrong one some of the times, and when the teacher shocked the learner, the learner was commanded to make a noise to prove it was real to see what the teacher would do. Some of the important factors that led the “teachers” in the Milgram experiment to disobey the experimenter's commands to continue to shock the learner was when the learners made noises that seemed outrageous and when some would say “this is hurting my heart, I have heart problems, please let me out” and the teachers asked the experimenters if they would check in on the learners. At one point one of the guys stopped responding to the questions and stopped reacting to the shocks, and the teacher kept asking the experimenter to stop, and the experimenter would say “please continue, it is essential that you continue” and the teacher continued out of commands of the experimenter. I think we could attempt to create societies that value and encourage the traits of people who disobey unethical authority figures because if someone was in danger, the person supposedly doing the harming such as the shocking would not want to be in a situation where they would get in trouble or be accused if something had happened to them. In the video one of the teachers tried explaining to the experimenter that he did not want to continue the experiment due to the reactions of the learner. Although he was commanded to continue, he could have stopped the experiment if he wanted to, but he chose to continue based on how serious the experimenters sounded when they said “ it is essential that you continue”.

Based on the Milgram experiment, I think everyone has the potential to become a perpetrator of violence against others. Even by just watching the video, you could see how some of the teachers wouldn't stop the experiment if they really felt for the learners. Some continued until there were 450 volts. The teachers kept going even after the learner had no responses and no reactions. So in that case, I think people have the potential for becoming a perpetrator of violence towards others. The Milgram experiments suggest the aspects of human behavior that could make it possible for us to willingly inflict on pain and others because when the teachers were continuing to do the experiment, they were not aware that nothing was happening to the learner, but they still continued and could have harmed them in any way if it were real. I think some people choose what they do with their actions by either just choosing peace by helping people or choosing violence and harming people in any type of way possible. Most people would choose peace, but there are a percentage of people who will go out of their way to do bad. In the article “How the Nazi’s defense of “Just Following Orders” Plays Out in the Mind (Joshua Barajas, 2016),” a Scientific American states that “According to Milgram’s experiments, 65 percent of his volunteers, described as “teachers,” were willing (sometimes reluctantly) to press a button that delivered shocks up to 450 volts to an unseen person, a “learner” in another room. Although pleas from the unknown person could be heard, including mentions of a heart condition, Milgram’s study said his volunteers continued to shock the “learner” when ordered to do so. At no point, however, did someone truly experience an electric shock” (pg. 2). This backs up my point that I explained earlier of how when some of the learners expressed a heart problem, the teachers continued to do the experiment not knowing if they would be fine at the end of this. Milgram’s study was very much accurate when he said his volunteers would listen to the commands about shocking the learners, although the shocks were not real, the volunteer teachers were tested to see if they would stop based on the amount of volts and the outrageous noises and sayings were said.

raybradbury12
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 3

Some of the important factors and personality traits that led the ‘teachers’ in the Milgram experiment to disobey the ‘experimenters’ commands was a strong sense of self and strong values and morals. This consequently led to having a stronger cognitive dissonance when instructed to do something that was so opposed and contradictory to their morals or values. It is feasible to replicate this logic within our societies through strengthening people’s sense of self through affirming statements so that they are better able to “withstand” unethical instructions. The better sense of self we instill in people, the less likely they are to be easily swayed and influenced by unethical commands from authority figures. However, there is a danger that as well as the same logic can be applied to affirming negative aspects of one's sense of self, and thus make them either more susceptible to unethical behavior, or people can start disobeying all authority figures altogether. This brings us into the complicated conversation of resistance to structure because there are many structures that are necessary.


The Milgram experiments show that many people, even those who view themselves as moral and upright, can inflict harm on others when they are pressured by authority. What made the study disturbing was not that a few participants complied, but that most people actually did. The findings suggest that ordinary people may commit harmful acts when they believe that the responsibility will be on someone else. This logic or finding helps explain how systemic violence occurs, though it does not explain everything about it.


Another huge factor is blind obedience as history shows that ideology, propaganda, fear and fitting in with the “in group” also fuel people’s willingness to harm others. For example, during the Holocaust, many of the officials or perpetrators often took in propaganda that dehumanized Jewish people, which made violence feel justified for them. Authority may trigger or start compliance, but I feel like conformity, prejudice and the desire for acceptance makes obedience even stronger.


The Stanford Prison Experiment highlights this influence from others and ones environment, In just six days, “the experience of imprisonment undid, although temporarily, a lifetime of learning; human values were suspended, self-concepts were challenged, and the ugliest, most base, pathological side of human nature surfaced”. Here, cruelty came out not only from authority but from the quick internalization of the roles assigned to them. When people adopt identities such as “guard”, they may abandon their usual sense of morality.


Nevertheless, Milgram’s and the Stanford experiment also reveal that disobedience to authorities is possible. The participants who resisted, like the first man in the Milgram experiment, had strong moral values like I mentioned above. Also, people may reject authority altogether but the goal is not to eliminate all kidneys of authority but to encourage more thoughtful and careful resistance when it conflicts with your ethical values, or just considering the implications of instructions before thoughtlessly carrying them out.


In conclusion, these studies show the unsettling truth that ordinary people can commit violence under pressure, but also that resistance is possible. The balance between authority and personal values determines which paths people follow.


EmmetOlive14
Boston, Massachussets, US
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Milgram Experiment Reflection


I do believe that everyone has the potential to become a perpetrator of violence against others especially after watching the video on the Milgram experiment. This is mainly because of a few key points accessed during the experiment. The layout of the experiment is a teacher and a student who are both supposedly volunteers being payed money to take part in the experiment. But it turns out that the only person who is the volunteer is the teacher. The student is someone who is involved in the experiment and knows what is going on. The teacher believes that he or she is shocking the student every time that he or she gets the matching question wrong. These shocks supposedly range up to 450 volts but the whole experiment there is no one being shocked. The teacher believes that the student is getting shocked due to the expressed pain and words he is saying to the teacher but they are in separate rooms. When the teacher tries to stop shocking the student someone in the room tells them to continue and claims that he will not get in trouble if anything happens. Even if they could be killing a man the amount of people that continued the experiment was shocking.“At the time, when Milgram described this experiment to a group of 39 psychiatrists, the psychiatrists predicted that one participant in 1,000 would continue until he or she delivered the most severe shock, 450 volts. In reality, 62.5% of participants did”(Bauman 2). After the test 62.5% of the participants would have killed the man just because of the soft orders of the other man in the room. This one singular stat from the experiment expresses to me that everyone has the potential to become a perpetrator to violence. But the key point of this experiment roots back to obedience. Without the other man in the room telling the people completing the experiment to continue to keep shocking the student I strongly believe that most if not all of them would've stopped completely and left the experiment. This directly shows how the law of obedience directly affects others. This shows how although us as people may be very against violence, and would never aim to hurt others in any kind of way the law of obedience directly shows how drastically others may be affected by simple orders by others which is directly highlighted in the Milgram experiment.


I think that experiments like the milgram experiment do explain why ordinary people end up taking part in violence, and mass atrocities. I believe that this can be caused from the law of obedience and influence from others around them such as bad role models or gang activity but I also think that the influence of one other ordinary person such as friend can cause a large impact on any of us. I think that ordinary people that act in violence can also be affected by many other things such as mental illness. When we watched the video about the man who sexually assaulted the 12 year old it was very clear that the man who committed such an atrocious act suffered from many kinds of mental illness that brought him into committing such horrible things.

bigdah7
Boston, MA, US
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In our minds, we often defer to an authority figure on what to do when we are confronted with hard or confusing information. Such as during the Milgram experiment, most people followed the instructions of the experimenter. To most people this is shocking, when we think about strangers, we often think that they wouldn’t kill us or do horrible things. Under a microscope I believe everyone has the potential to commit a violent act against others. When confronted by an authority figure, people would willingly “follow orders”. “How Nazi's Defense of "Just Following Orders" Plays Out in the Mind”, by Joshua Barajas discusses how when ordered to do something, we often throw responsibility for our actions to the authority figure, and distance ourselves from the action, thus proving to ourselves why we can do it. If we distance ourselves from the action it becomes ok in our minds to do such. By doing this everyone could become a killer somewhat easily. Another factor that could lead to people becoming violent is the desire to be alive, or not be socially ostracized.

Milgram's experiments partially explain active participation by ordinary people in mass violent events. While this experiment explains the role of authority in making people commit violence, there are many other factors that come into play when people are pushed to commit violence on one another. One factor may be social pressures. When people join a mob, they lose their social values, and their ideas about what society thinks is right. Mob mentality is also a huge part of why ordinary people partake in violence on a mass scale. When you join a mob, you lose your sense of individuality, responsibility for your actions. Social pressure relates to this because when you are with a group, you want to be part of the group, say your group is attacking somebody, you are most often going to attack them in order to not be turned into the other group. When you are also threatened with your life, or threatened in general, most people would turn on their fellow humans, for self preservation. The idea that we would switch up on our fellow persons could be seen as appalling, but this is in our nature, to survive.

In the Milgram experiment, ‘teachers’ with a weak sense of self are more likely to listen to the experimenter and not stop the experiment. However those with better moral values and higher sense of self are more likely to stop the experiment. Another quality that could influence whether ‘teachers’ stop the shocking is their sense of empathy, those with high feelings of empathy would most likely stop the experiment. Those who are psycho or sociopaths who feel less empathy than the average person are going to ignore the shouts for mercy, and completely listen to the experimenter. In our modern society, we encourage the abnormal, whatever it is, such as leaders, sports and actions. Attempting to create a society where standing up to unethical leaders is encouraged seems very unlikely, while most will go along with what the leader says, still a select few will still stand up to them. There is an apparent danger in this as well, as different people could consider different leaders unethical or not. This could encourage mass violent political movements when people have a disagreement with someone in power.

123456
Boston, MA, US
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I do not think that everyone has the potential to commit violence or inflict pain upon others. That being said, I do now believe that there are more people out there who would blindly follow orders that would result in the harm of others. I think that there are many different aspects of human behavior that contribute to that possibility, and it is the combination of those factors that result in infliction of pain on such a mass level as, for example, the Holocaust. I’ve thought about trying to follow the thread of all of the different psychological effects that we have learned about, and what I keep thinking is the root of all of it is the human craving for comfort/cognotive dissonance. Things like refusing orders from a superior or going against the crowd are things that naturally make people uncomfortable. However, it also makes a decent person uncomfortable to inflict pain upon others. This internal struggle can either result in a person doing the right thing, or the comfortable thing. We saw this in the video of the Milgram experiment, where the man very clearly knew that something was wrong with the learner, and expressed his concern, but ultimately went on. Milgram’s experiment and what it shows is definitely a very large part of what goes into things like genocide and mass killings. However, I also believe that those who directly inflict pain and those who stand by and do nothing are different. Both do wrong, but the severity of one is far greater than the other. One who had the ability to, for example, sit by and watch millions of Jewish people get murdered is one who, in the Milgram experiment, would protest but ultimately continue to push the button. However, I believe that the soldiers that commit the irregular atrocities, that is, not the atrocities normally associated with “regular war”, but shooting innocent people or being in charge of internment camps, are people with genuine indifference or hate in their hearts. Those would be the people who hear the reaction of the learner in the Milgram experiment who either kept going without a word of protest or even smiled while they pushed the shock button. As mentioned in the article, in the aftermath of world war two many Nazi soldiers tried to hide behind the excuse that they were “just following orders”, but I believe that to some extent they felt internally motivated to fulfill those orders. Thus, I believe that the Milgram experiment can explain elements of genocidal events such as being a bystander, but I do not believe that it fully explains the actions of those who directly killed innocents. I also think that to attempt to prove this experiment with just shocks, in a class-like environment, is not directly applicable to a scenario in which someone can see a suffering human, or hold the gun to their head. For example, during the Milgram experience there were reduced results when the learners were moved closer, within eyesight, or in physical proximity of the teacher. While there were still test subjects that induced the shocks without complaint or resistance, I believe that these are the types of people that would be willing to commit the murder of an innocent person. However, I do not believe that that ratio is as large as the experiment made it out to be. I also think that to some extent there is a cherry-picking of subjects when looking at, for example, Nazi soldiers. This is because many soldiers in the army may have volunteered, motivated by true belief in the Nazi cause or by some internalized hatred towards Jews or any other persecuted group during the Holocaust.

ChickenBurger
Dorchester Center, MA, US
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I firmly hold the belief that people hold the potential to become the perpetrators of violence once, if not multiple times in their life, especially after watching the Milgram Experiment videos. Even though people may say and believe that they would not fold under pressure and harm anyone, a great majority of the people would commit terrible under the correct circumstances. When someone is placed in a position where they have an extreme lack of knowledge of the situation, they become susceptible to peer pressure, mostly when the person pressuring them has or seems to have a better understanding of the situation at hand. This is shown perfectly in the Milgram experiment, as people were offered a low amount of money from an ad in the newspaper to come in for an experiment. In this experiment, they are to quiz a person in another room, and if they ever answer incorrectly, they are to be shocked by the volunteer with the voltage going up to a deadly level of 450 volts. As the voltage increased, the person being “shocked” would also cry out in pain and ask to stop due to a heart problem, and they stop responding at the highest voltages. What the person does not know is that nobody is being shocked and they are being tested on how much pain they will inflict on a person when they are being instructed to do so. While the results of this experiment vary, most of the volunteers for this experiment chose to continue shocking the person despite the fact that they showed clear signs of wanting to stop the experiment.

They also tested how obedient a person would be to commands in different situations. In FH’s A Matter of Obedience, it is discussed how some volunteers were right next to the person being shocked and it caused them to obey the orders less, while volunteers that were in a separate room and could only hear the voice of the person were much more likely to follow these orders. “When the teacher was required to touch the learner by forcing the learner’s hand onto the plate from which the shock was delivered, 30% of the teachers proceeded to the most severe shock. When the teacher did not touch the learner but remained in the same room, obedience to go all the way increased to 40%. When the teachers were placed in a separate room from which they could hear the voice of the learner but not see him, obedience increased to 62.5%. When the learner did not speak but only banged on the wall to indicate distress, obedience increased to 65%. When the teacher could neither see nor hear the learner at all, obedience reached almost 100%.” This evidence shows direct correlation between obedience and humanization of the victim. When a person is face to face with the person they are going to harm, it makes it much harder for them to carry through with the act as they see the person and every emotion they are going through. However, when someone is alone in a room, and a mere push of a button hurts someone else, it becomes a lot easier to continue with these acts as it allows us to dehumanize the victim. In society, this is seen every day as we need to strive for a society where violence is seen as a horrible act whether you are right next to them or miles away pushing a few buttons.

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