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star fire
Roslindale, MA, US
Posts: 10

Reflections on the Ethics of the Atomic Bomb

There is no circumstance in which it would be necessary and permissible to use overwhelming force in war especially if it means the intentional harm of non-combatants. The key word here is non-combatants, people who have no idea what is going on and are not involved in the situation. If the solution to a problem involves having to take away innocent lives, then there always needs to be another option. If there is no better option, then taking innocent lives should be a last resort. All resources need to be exhausted before even going down that route because once that step is taken, it will be extremely hard to go back and to justify other decisions in the future when that precedent is already set. Some nations or groups definitely need to be humbled decisively in order to stop hostilities and ultimately save lives, but there are other ways to humble people, especially in this day and age. In the case of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, around 214,000 lives were taken and the majority of them were innocent. The first bomb on Hiroshima could reasonably be justified, but the second bomb made no sense. Not only did the United States know the effect that it would have on Japanese citizens, but they also gave an insufficient warning and also didn't even bomb the correct place. In the NPR interview, they reviewed Truman after dropping the bomb and it was said that for the rest of his life he spent time trying to justify letting the bomb go. However, he responded very aggressively and agitatedly like he was trying to convince himself. This is the consequence of having a leader make these kinds of decisions. A leader should only make this type of decision as a last resort or else this decision will stick with them for the rest of their lives and if in the future they start questioning their own decisions or going even further, either one holds no benefit for the country.

EastCoast11
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 11

Reflections of the Ethnics of the Atomic Bomb

Throughout the most tragic historical events, it can not be answered with a simple yes or no on whether it was justified, but we can at least look at the facts which are crucial to the understanding. Divining deeper into the events that took place on August 9, 1945 - The drop of two atomic bombs on the cities of Japan, operated by the United States. The goal of this attack was to bring an end to World War II by bringing Japan to a state of surrender, though the usage of the deadly weapons was what they believed “, Stimson wrote, was “the least abhorrent choice” (Foreign Policy). I believe that in the circumstances of the U.S - facing serious attack - it is right to do what is necessary to protect one’s nation. Though, the bomb dropping on Hiroshima had caused a major wave of radiation that wiped out not only the people, but the entire village structure. This event didn’t have a short lived result, the radiation had led to acid rain, in this case, the rain was the survivors last chance at hydration, but instead had a burning chemical on their body. Not long after, a second bomb had destroyed Nagaski city, the results only increasing the casualty count by thousands. So the million dollar question is, was the usage of deadly radioactive weapons worth the number of innocent civilian lives if it meant to end the war? Well, one of the war principles would consider the proportionality of it all, comparing the results to the initial goal of the bombing. The U.S believed that Japan would have eventually killed thousands of Americans instead of surrendering, so it was better to develop the atomic bomb to stop the war now.

Another aspect of this situation is the need to humble a nation during the midst of war, in which I am completely against. That is because when you're playing with the lives of innocent civilians in your hands, nothing should ever be considered a game or a competition that plays into a nation's ego. In which it is seen by Japan, “The Japanese believed that the emperor is a direct descendent of the gods who created their islands and their people. The emperor is thus an essential symbol of Japanese heritage and culture, and Japanese troops will fight desperately, even committing suicide, before they break their obligations to him by surrendering”.

cherrybacon
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 11

LTQ 7

I feel like it’s only permissible to use overwhelming force in war when its a complete life or death situation for the nation. For example, if nation B was planning an attack on nation A, and nation A wouldn’t be able to survive the attack due to the amount of force nation B was planning to use, I think that it would be justifiable for nation A to use that force on nation B instead to save themselves. Of course in the perfect society, I would say overwhelming forces shouldn’t be used at all in war. But I don’t believe if this was a rule that it would end up being upheld regardless. Also, it happens often in war where there is harm to non-combatants. If a hospital used for treating soldiers is within civilian territory or if the soldiers meeting grounds are within this territory, then it is seen as fair because of course its not with the aim of intentionally getting the civilians but they need to be able to target the soldiers. I think that it makes sense for groups and nations to be humbled decisively in order to stop hostilities and ultimately save lives. Looking at things from a broad view, no one life is more important than another. So if someone were to be saving more people by using an overwhelming force, it may be worth it.


Now speaking specifically about the use of the atomic bomb in Japan, I don’t think that this was necessary or permissible. Yes, Japan did start by attacking Pearl harbor, but Pearl Harbor is a naval base so that doesn't equate to using an atomic bomb on civilians. And although the US didn’t know the exact effects the atomic bomb would have on the society, they knew that it would be more impactful than the bomb used on them and they knew it would cause way more powerful destruction.

make_art_not_war
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 11

LTQ #7: Reflections of the Ethics of the Atomic Bomb

I believe that diplomacy is the most ethical solution during a time of war. If there is an opportunity to create a diplomatic end to the war then the use of excessive force such as the atomic bombs is unnecessary and unethical. As the article from Foreign Policy states “the ex-ambassador to Tokyo had first urged Truman to offer the Japanese a deal: surrender in exchange for retaining the emperor.” In this instance I believe that the threat of looking weak should not be a consideration as the next best option to diplomacy is the deaths of civilians which in my opinion outweighs the possible cost of altering a country’s international image. Additionally an article from the Asia Pacific Journal states that one of the reasons that the US decided to use the bomb was to display strength and in a way humble Russia. This is also not an ethically permissible reason in my opinion as I do not believe that the death of thousands of civilians can be justified when there is another possible alternative to displaying power such as creating diplomatic solutions to end the war, ultimately reflecting the influence that the US holds over significantly powerful countries.

With this being said I also do not believe that nations who are intentionally committing crimes against humanity and other incomprehensible atrocities should be left to continue doing these things. In the case of Japan it can be argued that the use of the atomic bombs not only saved many American lives but also many Asian lives as the Japanese occupation of other Asian countries such as China came to an end.

Ultimately diplomacy should always be the first option however in the case of noncompliance then I do think that it is necessary to decisively humble certain nations in an effort to prevent further death and destruction.

mrgiggles!!
Roslindale, MA, US
Posts: 11

LTQ 7: The Ethics of the Atomic Bomb

I don't believe that the use of overwhelming force in war, like the atomic bomb, is necessary or permissible under any circumstances, especially if the cost is hundreds of thousands of innocent people. To this day, the consequences of the bombing of Hiroshima are still felt by survivors and their families. In the context of WWII, I believe the use of the atomic bomb was unnecessary, even though I can agree it achieved its strategic objectives. Ultimately, the end of the war was hastened, the US was able to demonstrate to other countries that they were willing to go to drastic measures in war and certainly had the means to do so, the looming threat of Soviet communism was thwarted, and a large number of both American and Asian lives were saved. It is clear that the use of the bomb did provide some advantages. However, despite its effectiveness, I find the ethical and moral ramifications far outweigh the military advantages and render the bomb’s use unjustifiable. At the end of the war, Japan was considerably weak. As described in the article, Was There a Diplomatic Alternative? The Atomic Bombing and Japan’s Surrender, Japan was particularly vulnerable to “concentrated air attack[s] upon [it’s] crowded cities, industrial, and food resources,” and simply could not measure up to the myriad of industrial resources opposing nations had. They were already on the verge of defeat and possibly were close to surrendering, but the US refused to accept Japan’s conditional surrender terms, further prolonging the war. Additionally, the US claimed that Hiroshima was specifically chosen as a target city for the bomb as it contained a valuable Japanese military base. As argued by NPR, it is clear that this was not strictly a military action, as the bomb was aimed at the center of a city of 300,000 civilians. It is even more dismaying that the US employed the bombs, despite not fully understanding the short-term or long-term repercussions. While the bomb did serve its purpose well, I cannot justify its use under any circumstances, unless it is the absolute last resort in a conflict. Diplomacy and negotiation efforts should be fully exhausted before coming to that decision. The catastrophic outcomes, especially regarding the lives of thousands of innocent people, call the morality of using nuclear weaponry into question.
Vonnegut123
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 11

Response on the Ethics of Atomic Bombs

To determine if a nuclear bomb is permissible to use in war we must first go over what we learned earlier in the year about the ethics of war in general. A war in general must be for increasing human rights with no ulterior motive, must maintain levels of destruction, and avoid human loss to the greatest extent possible. Japan’s motivation was the creation of an empire free from the West in alignment with Pan-Asianism. However, the brutality and sexual violence upon the Chinese, Korean, Filipino, Burmese, Indonesian and other peoples quickly made this war unjust. This behavior was evident by 1937 with the Rape of Nanjing and sexual enslavement.


The United States did not declare war here though. Instead we only invaded after Pearl Harbor on December 7th, 1941. Realistically the humanitarian catastrophe in China should have prompted a response. When we compare the result of the nuclear bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki to the evils of Japan, it becomes more realistic to use the bombs. Furthermore, the prolongment of war and starvation of mainland Japan would have arguably harmed the non-stockpiled populus more than the military in addition to the greater loss of United State troops.


Now, as most agree, the use of atomic weapons is immoral except for very select uses. If there was a military base large enough and well enough defended to make a traditional invasion impossible would a nuclear weapon be allowed? That depends on the motivation of the war, but, assuming it is just, then I would consider it strategically passable. I am not saying it is moral; I believe that wars are immoral and should never occur unless they are in true defense. If an offensive war is never declared there will be no war. But on the nuclear issue, Ukraine gave its nuclear arsenal to Russia during its formation in exchange for guaranteed independence. That treaty wasn’t enforced, but the reason foreign troops aren’t in Ukraine is because of Russia’s nuclear arsenal and fear of world war.

bostonlatin1635
Charlestown, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 9

I do not think it is ever permissible to use overwhelming force. However, I do think that it can very rarely be the strategic answer, and I think that the Hiroshima bomb was one example of the tactically correct decision to make, but the casualties it caused make the decision far from morally correct. It clearly ended the second world war, a war that took the lives of many and was home to all sorts of insurmountable evil, and it also prevented a full scale invasion by the United States of Japan, which would’ve caused many more casualties.


This might differ from many people, but I am strictly anti-war. In my opinion, no one wins a war ,and especially not by any historical measure. One side will “win” but there are still many thousands or millions of military and civilian deaths. Plus, it causes a ton of conflict that is bound to get allies involved wh9ich then further increases the conflict, deaths, and so on.


Also, the economic effects of war are astronomical. For example, the russia-ukraine has depleted the pocket of the Ukrainian government and has caused hundreds of billions of dollars to be spent on them by other surrounding countries in the form of aid and ammunition. This increases inflation indirectly, as well as put some of these countries in a tough financial spot, as the war is not going to get any better. I do think that if a war has started, the country that starts it should definitely be accountable for its actions in the form of economic or social reparations. However, the world needs to cut the wars off at the source, as world peace benefits all, and war literally does no good.

I do not believe in atomic bombs from an ethical or moral standpoint, but I more firmly disagree with the basis of war as a whole.

lilbigmacfries
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 9

Reflections of the Ethics of the Atomic Bomb

In my opinion, it can be necessary to use these overwhelming and excessive forces, but still be morally incorrect and extremely unjust. To me, war in general isn’t moral at all, which is something that our dinner table group focused on a lot during our discussion. When at war, civilians and non-combatants are going to die, whether it’s intentional or not, so war itself isn’t moral at all. Despite this, there are moral ways to fight in a war, and while the use of the atomic bomb in Hiroshima was “successful” and effective in terms of ending the war, there’s no way to justify the amount of damage it caused on that community. There’s no way on Earth that the atomic bomb should’ve been dropped without knowing its long term effects, and especially not on a population of majority citizens.

While they didn’t deserve to have an entire atomic bomb dropped on them, Japan is an example of a nation who needed to be humbled for the greater good. The damage they were doing in the nations that they occupied was almost impossible to believe. The use of the atomic bomb definitely did humble Japan, but it did equally just as much if not more harm than Japan was doing to other nations. I also believe that there would have been other ways to humble Japan besides showing off the fact that they could drop a bomb and obliterate Japan’s population in literal minutes.

At the same time, the US felt threatened by Japan themselves, so it’s understandable as to why they dropped the atomic bomb, it’s just not justifiable. Just because their reasoning can be explained doesn’t make it right, which is something that my dinner table primarily agreed on throughout our discussion on Thursday.

Zinnia
Posts: 11

Reflections of the Ethics of the Atomic Bomb

Is it moral or just to hurt the innocent? The principles of just war state that civilians, or non-combatants, are never permissible targets of war, and the deaths of civilians are only justified under the circumstances that they are unavoidable victims of an attack on a military target. According to these rules of reasonable war, the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were unjust. For example, the US claimed that the attack was targeted on an important military base, while their intention was really to target civilians, devastate Japan and worsen morale to bring them to a surrender. According to “Hiroshima Choices” from Brown University, Arthur Harris, the chief of British Bomber Command stated, “It has been decided that the primary objective of your [Allied] operations should now be focused on the morale of the enemy civil population and in particular, of the industrial worker.” Additionally, the US had alternative strategies to the atomic bomb to end the war. In “The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb” in Harper’s Magazine, Henry Stimson revealed, “In reaching these conclusions the Interim Committee carefully considered such alternatives as a detailed advance warning or a demonstration in some uninhabited area.” Thus, the civilians of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not unavoidable in a military mission, but rather directly targeted by the US despite alternative military and diplomatic strategies. However, the debate surrounding this subject contemplates the circumstance in which some nations refuse to follow the reasonable rules of war. Japan refused to uphold the principles of just war and targeted the US despite their neutrality. For instance, in “The Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb,” Henry Stimson stated, “Although U.S. military intelligence had predicted a Japanese offensive in the Pacific, the Japanese did not officially declare war on the United States until after their warplanes had struck Pearl Harbor. Americans were outraged at the breach of fair play.” In this case, Japan did not uphold the rules of just war; but does this justify the US’s attack on Japan, which also broke their established principles? I do not believe that it is permissible to use overwhelming force in war if it means the harm of non-combatants if there are alternative strategies available. Otherwise, the very concept of principles of just war is at risk.
Dolphin315
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 10

The Ethics of the Atomic Bomb

I am not sure if it is possible to pick a side and stand by it with all of my might, as this issue is so complex. If I were to pick a side, I would say that it was not and never will be permissible to use overwhelming forces in war at the cost of non-combatants. While there are certainly parts of the reasoning in this case that made the use of overwhelming war force valid, I think ultimately it caused more harm than good. The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were some of the most controversial events, as there is truth to both sides, and a story on either side. While these bombings were successful in finding an end to the war, they caused extremely devastating long-term impacts to those countries. I think that the total harm these bombs caused is not justifiable by any means, and completely inhumane. The fact that American scientists, or anyone for that matter, had no idea what the bombs were capable of and all of the different effects they would have, made this entire situation even less justifiable. If you are going to carry out an attack so aggressive and destructive, you should at least know exactly what to expect. From a just war theory perspective, the bombings challenge two things; distinction and proportionality. In terms of proportionality, the bombings could be validated if they harmed less people than the war would have gone on to kill if it did not reach an end. While there will never by a way to know for sure, I think that the radiation made this unjustifiable, as it harmed people for years after the bomb was dropped. In all, I strongly believe that these two events caused unnecessary suffering and cannot be validated. While I see the perspective of the other side and think that war also causes horrible suffering, there is just no way to justify the atomic bombs.

KWR26
Boston, Massachusetts, UM
Posts: 11

Reflections on the ethics of the Atomic Bomb

The circumstances in which overwhelming force is permissible are few and far between in war. In the case of atomic bombs, they should never be used unless there is zero other options to resolve an issue. In the case of the nuclear weapons dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki I do believe it was a necessary action to end a global conflict. The only time I support using nuclear weaponry is if it is absolutely deemed necessary for the survival of a nation, or to directly stop a threat posed that may significantly hurt a country. This does not mean that significant threats need to be dealt with by nuclear weapons, we saw the GWOT and Operation Desert Storm be carried out fully with no nuclear weapons discharged. Some nations do need to be humbled decisively at times but that does not mean that they need to be nuked. There are ways to deal with threats and combatants to deter them completely without dropping atomic bombs. Some nations do need to be humbled decisively like Japan in world war 2, however I think that after that excessive show of force, the fear factor that possessing nuclear weapons carries, should do all the talking, instead of the nukes themselves. I think that the 9 countries that possess nuclear weapons should take it upon themselves to only use them as an empty threat, a retaliation measure that will never be used. I think it is important that atomic bombs are not used in the world today, because of the destructive affects it would have no matter where it is dropped. With populations rising all the time and international tensions heightening; the damage a nuclear weapon could and would cause could be irreversible and plunge the world into nuclear war, effectively ending life as we know it.
Blueshakes56
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 4

Ethics of the Atomic Bomb

I don't believe that the use of overwhelming force in warfare is necessary, especially when it involves the intentional harm of non-combatants in the pursuit of an ethical conflict. While we have established protocols to ensure a “fair war,” not all countries adhere to the same moral or ethical standards of conduct. For instance, the deployment of the atomic bomb was viewed as the most effective means to compel a nation that refused to surrender, preferring instead to face death in battle. Cultural differences surrounding warfare and the concept of surrender in Japan contributed to the decision to use the atomic bomb as a means of coercing a nation into halting hostilities. However, this approach of "humbling a nation" can give rise to more complicated issues over the long term, even if it resolves the immediate conflict. Humbling a nation or group could lead to resentment, and international conflict allowing for future instances of war. Historical examples indicate that efforts to decisively defeat or humiliate a population often result in a cycle of retaliation and revenge resulting in a greater chance for war in the future. The aftermath of World War I resulting in the Treaty of Versailles regarded as a heavily unfair and impossible agreement to the losing nations is responsible for World War II. While the argument can be made that overwhelming force in rare instances, is necessary to end a war and save lives, the ethical and legal principles of modern warfare go against the very idea of it. The idea is that some nations or groups must be "humbled" to stop hostilities filled with risks, in terms of morality and long-term consequences. The goal should be to avoid war whenever possible and, when conflict is unavoidable, to adhere to principles of ethical warfare even if the other side does not hold themselves to this same standard. The protection of human rights should come above all else no matter the war and what it is fought for.

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