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Originally posted by crunchybiscuits on February 10, 2025 23:53

In the case of Art Spiegelman, his trauma is often misunderstood by many who read his book. On the surface, some find him abrasive, apathetic to his father’s stories, and overall not compassionate throughout the book. However, it is important to understand the everlasting impacts of the Holocaust, and how it also extends to the lives of those who did not experience it themselves. More specifically, the consequences of his parents. In the novel, Vladek’s instincts in his day to day mannerisms are drastically different compared to the “average” American family. For example, his obsession with saving money, his harsh critiques of Mala (his wife), and often isolating himself even from those who’ve known him for quite some time. According to Spiegelman’s drawings, the genocide had manifest in his frugality, paranoia, and emotional distance. These traits, while survival mechanisms for Vladek, become burdensome for Art, creating tension and guilt as he tries to understand and honor his father’s suffering. This is where the idea of second generation trauma survivors comes in-- the children of those who directly experienced atrocities often bear the psychological and emotional burdens of their parents’ suffering. Within communities, many experience similar things being in such close proximity, and in return, the next generation continues the same notions of yearning for answers. For Art, his expression of comics allowed him to find his purpose in building resilience with his father. However, the novel accounts for his obstacles with drawing the final piece because of the emotional disconnect. In a more general sense, many people do experience second generation trauma than they realize. Many have coined the term generational trauma, where the actions and trauma of a certain age gap is passed onto the next. It can be acknowledged only if the people that are affected by the trauma (multiple generations) are able to grow and bond over the past. Addressing this trauma requires acknowledgment and active healing efforts rather than repression. While some argue that moving beyond generational trauma is necessary for personal growth, others believe it is crucial to keep the memory alive to ensure history is not repeated. During the summer of 2024, I was personally put on a project that regarded the healing and resilience of a loved one. Hearing my dad’s story of fleeing to the United States, I didn’t think that his story after the trauma was truly over. It was then when I heard his story of living in the United States as a highschool student, that I understood the drive to be successful came from a secondary trauma stance. After interjecting my own experiences with my fathers, it finally clicked for me how my father and I could grow from the experiences we faced at those similar ages. Simply talking about the stories that mirror our lives is a possible way of moving forward, and this is what was seen in Maus. Ultimately, the past shapes us, but how we carry it forward—whether as a weight or a source of strength—depends on how we choose to acknowledge and understand it.

Hi crunchybiscuits! This is a great response. I really liked the last sentence you wrote, about how the past can be a weight or a source of strength, depending on how we choose to acknowledge it. Examining the past to understand it and have strength to understand and deal with the future is a main reason we take Facing History. In the case of trauma, people can grow wisdom and even strength from their traumatic experience. However, in the case of experiencing really traumatic events like the Holocaust, I don’t think it's ever possible to have it not be a weight in some way. History and past trauma doesn’t have to be either a weight to carry or a source of strength, but it is often both of those things.

I also thought it was a good point that you mentioned about how drawing comics is a good way for Art to process his generational trauma. But, the process is also a real struggle for Art (as he feels emotional disconnect to the Holocaust and talking to his father about his story brings up feelings of being compared to Richieu). This makes sense, because, as you said, facing trauma requires healing efforts rather than suppression. And of course, while necessary, healing efforts are often challenging and/or emotionally taxing.

Originally posted by Introspection84 on February 11, 2025 14:00

I do not believe the art form of comics ought to be dismissed on face as an inappropriate means of addressing the Holocaust and Spiegelman’s story as I believe art is an appropriate medium through which to express emotions, especially if it feels right to the artist. The visual style of Maus with its emphasis on linework and contrast between light and dark shapes, lends itself well to expressiveness and guiding the reader’s eye to the dynamic and broader implications of every panel, such as the bottom left panel on page 127, in which the obscuring of detail on the people, landscape and trees by darkness makes the shaping of the fork in the rode into a swastika unmistakable and likely the first thing readers will notice about the image. All this being said, I do believe that, despite the clear emphasis on emotions and creating a specific mood throughout the panels, the emotional landscape is diminished by the speed with which the story and medium progress. Although the telling of the story from the perspective of a survivor and the emphasis on his family in particular allows the reader to empathize uniquely by connecting to characters, each element of the story is afforded only a few panels of space, creating a very fast progression that did not leave me enough time to sit with the implications of the story and emotions I experienced. The reading experience felt more like a massive influx of information, memory and emotion that I could not sift through quite fast enough to take away as much as I think I could have during the reading itself. Artie’s pattern of bringing Vladek back to historical details and cutting off anything he deemed an unnecessary tangent compounded this feeling, as I think such tangents about the past, even if not directly taking place during the Holocaust, would provide invaluable insight into how a survivor experiences such painful memories and which parts remain the most tangible. I do, however, recognize that the speed of narration can be interpreted as a literary technique to leave readers with a sense of overwhelming emotion that may mirror even a tiny fraction of what Vladek and Artie were experiencing in the reliving of the past.

In terms of effectively conveying the historical gravity of the Holocaust, I think Maus does an incredible job as it does take readers out of the numbers and figures we so often get bogged down in and sharply brings into focus the true human impact of these atrocities. It feels, however, as though much of the emotional processing within the story occurs between character rather than between characters and readers, particularly as the comic form precludes some of the longer descriptions of thought and scenery that a novel might include. The additional layer of Artie interacting with Vladek and processing the memories of the Holocaust in more present times does add the nuanced question of how we interact with history that we did not live and the manners in which we may most ethically preserve it for future generations to understand. The graphic novel is among the best mediums to achieve this as it supports quick transitions that last only a few panels without unnecessary space given to transitioning the reader back and forth through time. Spiegelman simply must redirect the audience to the visual representation of the past or present through the setting of the panel, and even something as simple as the presence of Artie is enough to cement the shift. “The Shadow of Past Time”: History and Graphic Representation in Maus argues that Spiegelman makes these transitions in an even more nuanced manner by integrating visual elements from the past and present to communicate to readers the fluidity of memory and the narrative itself. For instance, towards the beginning of the book, we see Vladek pedaling in place on his stationary bicycle, acting as the binding between the past and present, Artie, a representation of the present, and a photograph of Anja from before the war, demonstrating how memories of the past bleed into the present and affect every aspect of our perceptions. Overall, I think Maus is an objectively successful historical representation.

You wrote very well, very clearly stated what you meant and provided the evidence to back it up. I was very impressed! I really liked when you brought up the “speed” of the comic narrative, even though I don’t necessarily agree, because everyone is absolutely entitled to their own interpretation of the story, and in regards to such a heavy subject, and it’s really fascinating to hear yours. I read it as the very fast narrative being a consequence of the accelerated timelines of events during the actual war, giving us a frame of rate and allowing for a fraction of that overwhelmed feeling to be acknowledged by the reader. That’s my take, which I was really surprised you mentioned, so kudos for recognizing an alternate point of view (it makes your writing very dynamic). I see that you also mentioned how the emotional processing occured more so between Art and Vladek rather than between them and the reader. Could this be a way to deny the reader that emotional assuagement, possibly as a comparison to the lack of emotional processing that many survivors faced, both during and post Holocaust? Could it be a method of separation between the people in the real-life story and the audience, even after previous methods of full engagement, and if so, why? I don’t disagree with what you said, I’m just curious as to your opinion and stating possible (maybe?) alternatives. That’s just some possibilities, though. I didn’t think you needed to change/improve anything, and overall, very well done. Thank you for letting me read!

Originally posted by SharkBait on February 11, 2025 07:24

Generational trauma, a term used to describe the “transmission of trauma and its legacy,” (APA), is demonstrated in Art Spiegelman’s Maus as Artie Spiegelman narrates the point of his life during which he met with his father on occasion and learned about his Holocaust survival, which Artie is hoping to turn into a novel. As Artie uncovers more of the previously-unspoken traumatic experiences of his father, one assumes that he is able to maintain composure and detach himself from any further connections to this horrific past given that he was not there himself. However, as Maus continues to explore the effects of the Holocaust in the present, past, and future, Spiegelman makes note of the cyclic feeling that such traumatic events can create for generations. These persistent feelings of guilt, fear, shame, and anger can be witnessed not only through Vladek’s temperament, but also through Artie’s feelings of envy towards the experiences of his family, as well as his frustration with his lack of understanding different aspects of the event including the death of his mother, brother, and the psychological changes of his father. Vladek’s continuous hesitance towards observing his trauma, in hopes to protect Artie on some level as well as himself, manifests in Artie’s inability to confront his own experience living as a member of the new Jewish generation. Spiegelman explores this idea of “postmemory” through Art’s internal conflict of isolation, which according to Hirsch, “[p]ostmemory characterizes the experience of those who grow up dominated by narratives that preceded their birth, whose own belated stories are evacuated by the stories of the previous generation shaped by traumatic events that can be neither understood nor recreated” (Hirsch 1997: 22). Writer Kolar Stanislav continues on the idea of postmemory, evident in Maus, in his article “Intergenerational Transmission of Trauma in Spiegelman’s Maus:” “It is not coincidence that the concept of postmemory arose in connection with Holocaust studies because of the centrality of the genocide for the children of survivors who ‘remembered’ the events not lived through. Postmemory reflects the level of identification with the original recipients of trauma and is often characterized by the feeling of displacement, living in temporal and spatial exile, estrangement and the experience of a lack and absence which frequently leads to an identity crisis” (Stanislav 228-229). Despite Art not living through the events of the Holocaust first hand, he continues to feel the effects expressed through an identity struggle, as well as his frustration with his own father. One could view Art’s attempts at hearing his father’s story for his novel as exploitation, yet it could also be argued that Art truly seeks an understanding of his family and community’s trauma, and he hopes to give it justice in the form of literature. Throughout the novel, it is evident that Artie struggles with completely understanding the events of the Holocaust, which he so desperately wants to comprehend; in Maus II, chapter 1, Art opens up to his wife about his desire to fully know these events as he says: “I know this in insane, but I somehow wish I had been in Auschwitz with my parents so I could really know what they lived through! … I guess it’s some kind of guilt about having had an easier life then they did” (Spiegelman 16). Artie’s guilt felt by his survival is also expressed through his frustration and envy with his “ghost brother” Richiev, who had died during the Holocaust. Artie comments that the photo of Richiev in his parents’ bedroom “never threw tantrums or got in any kind of trouble…it was an ideal kid and I was a pain in the ass. I couldn’t compete” (Spiegelman 15). The shame felt by Artie in terms of his life, as both a survivor and a son, helps to express Spiegelman’s broader ideas of generational trauma, especially how it may manifest itself in ways that are not typical. One may dislike Artie throughout the novel due to his lack of attention to his father’s extreme dependence and his ignorance to some of his father’s demands, but it is important to recognize that Art is a flawed character and the secondhand trauma he felt evident throughout Maus is part of the lives of many others. Generational trauma is hard to overcome or avoid but recognizing that it is there and allowing those emotions to be felt is a significant step in healing one’s relationship with their trauma and finding identity outside of it.

Hey SharkBait,

I really like your ideas about postmemory and how it relates to Artie’s ongoing identity crisis. I don’t quite agree with your stance that Artie envies the experiences of his family. Yes he may desire to better understand why his father is the way he is, but I don’t think he particularly wishes he could go back and experience the holocaust alongside his parents. Furthermore, I don’t think that in talking to his father about his experiences Artie distances himself from the holocaust. I would actually argue that Artie becomes more in touch with his father’s motives and gains a deeper understanding of why he struggles to make connections. I agree with your idea that Speigleman’s usage of Richieu helps to convey the ways in which generational trauma can manifest in unconventional ways. I like that you included commentary about why a reader may or may not like Artie. I agree with your views; I believe the fact that Artie is flawed is exactly what makes him likable. If Artie were a more reliable narrator with a more put together life, I think the story would be harder to digest. Rather than telling the story of a flawed character working to understand himself, the story would seem much more exploitative: a perfect person exploiting his father’s trauma just because. As for mechanical notes, try to avoid run-on sentences; you have lots of great ideas going on, but they would be much more understandable if they were broken up a little more. Overall, really great response!

Originally posted by VelveteenRabbit on February 11, 2025 08:59

Yes, Spiegelman’s use of the comic form is effective in conveying the emotional and historical weight of the Holocaust. Comics are simply a medium, and although historically they are used for more light-hearted things, such as superhero stories, it is not the cultural stereotypes of the medium and thus Art’s subsequent rejection of those stereotypes are not his fault. I think that there is some validity in the claim that one must be careful to maintain the weight of events as heavy as the Holocaust, but art and expression cannot be limited to what the viewer feels is the best expression; the message loses its potency, relevance and perspective. Personally, I find the medium really engaging. The story instead is still, clearly very dark, but the use of animal characters allow Art to accurately portray the events without verging into nightmare territory. In my mind, it was the best way to maintain the story and keep the reader reading. I find that the argument that the medium lacks seriousness to be a little invalid; a medium is just that: a medium. It is meant to convey a message. A medium cannot be what its message is not. It is, simply put, the blankest of all slates, only invigorating the emotions that the story wants. That is not to say that there is not a difference between mediums, and some mediums tend to be more effective at communicating ideas, but the story comes down to the artist, not the medium. Art did not intend for this to be a light story, and it does not read like one. Take, for example, the movie Spirited Away. It uses the medium of animation (not genre, the medium, get it right, oscars), a medium that many people fallaciously view as pertaining exclusively to children’s stories, but it tells a story of identity, the supernatural, and growing up, and overall has very adult themes. There are also shows like Invincible or Bojack Horseman that still use the genre but are not meant for children in the slightest. Comics often do the same thing, Deadpool, or instance. Now, I hear what you’re saying: Isn’t there a big difference between portraying fictional gore and nudity and using the medium to tell a survivor’s perspective on an actual genocide, to which I would answer you: Yes. That is not what I am arguing, and of course there are differences and one of those is a significantly more delicate topic than the other; I am just pointing out how the limits of genres are constantly being pushed. The graphic format itself is VERY seamless in shifting between Vladek's past and his and his son’s present. The lack of space between the comics and stories themselves parallel the struggles of the past with the struggles of the present; how his story, his trauma seeps into the bones, the pages and his son. As Chute succinctly put it, “Throughout Maus he [Art] represents the complicated entwining of the past and the present by ‘packing’ the tight spaces of panels. He found an ‘architectonic rigor…necessary to understand to compose the pages of Maus,’ he explains (qtd. IN Silberblatt 33), and has commented: ‘Five or six comics on one piece of paper…[I am] my father’s son’...”. It is details such as these that really demonstrate Art’s mastery over the comic form.

I found that your argument was in favor of Spiegelman’s use of comic form to help bring the weight of the Holocaust. I thought that your discussion about the neutral tool to show the lighthearted and unserious form was well written. I really liked your comparison to “Spirited Away”, “Invincible” and “Bojack Horseman” helped build the idea and bring your point across about how mediums can convey deep and serious messages. I also really enjoyed your analysis of the shifts between past and present in Maus. How trauma can be brought into the narrative structure and the character’s experiences. The literary analysis that you provided was a great insight to how Speigelman uses the structure of the comic form and the past and present was helpful. I also really liked your passionate writing style. I thought that your writing was enthusiastic about the subject. This helps with bringing the topic and subject through clearly. I agree with your thought that the arguments can be used as artistic freedom and how “art and expression cannot be limited to what the viewer feels is the best expression.”. I believe that creativity should not be restricted by traditional expectations and Maus is a great example of this.

Originally posted by astrali_ on February 10, 2025 21:36

Generational trauma is transferring traumatic memories or events onto the following generation. This is shown with Art Spiegelman’s Maus and Maus II as he portrays the complicated and tense relationship between him and his father. Although the Maus books mostly cover Vladek’s account and experiences during the Holocaust, they also briefly display their relationship as a result of the trauma Art’s father has dealt with for much of his life. Generational trauma impacts children of Holocaust survivors as the personal experiences of those who had gone through the Holocaust creates a form of distance between them and their children. This is seen especially in Maus II in the chapter “Auschwitz (Time Flies),” where Art expresses to his therapist, Pavel, how he struggles to execute Vladek’s trauma into cartoons. He mostly struggles with this because he was not present at the camps, so he has no personal connections to the Holocaust besides being the child of a survivor. This means that his only connection and understanding of the Holocaust is through his father, who he already has a rocky relationship with. In Intergenerational Transmission of Trauma in Spiegelman's Maus, it states how this is something called “postmemory,” where the generation following survivors only remember an event based off of stories, tales/oral memories, and/or pictures. This results in the “understanding” of how an event like the Holocaust was bad, but never understanding what survivors actually had to endure, creating alienation and distance between survivors and their children. Keeping this in mind, Spiegelman likely transferred this distance to his works when creating Maus. Because Art was not there during the Holocaust, he wants to be able to tell his father’s story accurately and as realistically as possible while still separating himself from the event since it isn’t his own story he is telling, and he achieves this by portraying the characters as anthropomorphic animals. Therefore, generational trauma in terms of the Holocaust distances survivors from their children as they cannot personally connect a large part of their life and identity with their children in a way they can truly understand without having to be there to experience what they did. Another way generational trauma impacts the children of survivors is that the trauma experienced during the Holocaust affects how survivors interact with others and the world around them from that point onwards. One example of this is how Vladek would always force Art to eat all the food on his plate, stated in chapter 3 of Maus I. This was likely a sort of subconscious reaction of not wasting any food, since Vladek was always provided with very scarce or even no food. However, this treatment likely impacted Art’s relationship with food as well. Another example of this is how Art says throughout the books about how Vladek would always say that he should have done something without Artie’s help or how he makes everything a competition. Pavel makes good insight of how this was likely a way for Vladek to prove that he is capable of surviving because he was constantly on edge and fighting to survive and show that he is skilled enough to do so. Additionally, there is the factor of Art’s deceased brother, Richieu, who died during the war. He indirectly states how he viewed Richieu as competition because Richieu acted as a “phatnom” of Vladek and Anja’s old lives before the war. Since things were better before the war, it is natural to long for how things were prior to the trauma. This created a layer of trauma for Art because it made him feel inadequate in comparison to his brother, especially when he had no control over his brother’s death and its impact on his parents.Hello

Originally posted by pinkpenguin on February 10, 2025 17:20

Generational trauma, as defined by the APA, is “the transmission of trauma…in the form of a psychological consequence…from the generation experiencing the trauma to subsequent generations” being varied in reactions throughout generations. To speak to every person who experienced generational trauma from the Holocaust is impossible, but Spiegelman shares his experience with generational trauma through the subtle conversations he inserts in Maus I and Maus II with his father and their relationship. At some points, the tense relationship between Art Spiegelman and his father blurs the line between a typical father-son relationship, and one of “the transmission of trauma”. In Maus I, there is a particular scene where Artie eats dinner with his father, Vladek, and he says that he is full even though there is still food on his plate. Vladek tells Artie to eat what is on his plate (43). This seemingly mundane and insignificant scene shows the differences in generational experiences. Vladek’s response to Artie saying that he is done eating, indicates that he was not so lucky to always have food in front of him, so he pushes his fear of a lack of food onto his son. The horrors of everyday life for Vladek during the Holocaust are passed down in subtle ways onto his son.

Art Spiegelman clearly feels the impact of the Holocaust on his own life, as he shares through a particular panel in Maus II saying, “No matter what I accomplish, it doesn’t seem like much compared to surviving Auschwitz” (Spiegelman 44). Art’s feeling of constant inferiority to his father, even after his father’s death, because he didn’t have to go through the same horrors as his father demonstrates the internal battle of suppressing his own feelings, and allowing himself to view his seemingly lesser problems as valid. Art’s struggle with his identity separate from his father forces him to realize that a large part of his identity comes from the struggles his parents faced during the Holocaust. The title of Maus II, continues on with the subtitle, A Survivor’s Tale: And Here My Troubles Began literally addressing the struggle he seems to face identifying that Vladek’s survival caused some of Art’s struggles in his own life. Stanislav Kolář dives into this idea writing, “Art’s story confirms the assertion that generations which have never been exposed to a traumatic event can ‘inherit’ the trauma of their ancestors and that the most common channel of this intergenerational and transgenerational transmission is through the family” (Kolář, Stanislav). Art Spiegelman’s identification of his trauma is what allows him to move on, to a certain extent. It is important to understand that his identification of this trauma does not extinguish it from his life, but rather acts as a coping mechanism so that he is able to live with it with better understanding of why he feels the way he does. As previously mentioned, Art’s identity does not exist without his childhood experiences which were somewhat traumatic, and therefore Art’s acknowledgement of this allows him to create awareness on the topic of generational trauma.

This person has a very good way of describing how seemingly mundane things may perpetuate or be a result of Art’s generational trauma in his relationship with his father. I also enjoyed the fact that this person made it very clear to the reader that Art, throughout the course of writing Maus, has realized the presence of generational trauma in his life, but also emphasizes that the simple recognition of it is not a way to remove oneself from it entirely. In my opinion, the fact itself that Art is coming to terms with his generational trauma is not a coping mechanism, instead, his writing of Maus is a coping mechanism; Art writes Maus partially so that he doesn’t feel inferior in comparison to his father. Although Maus is not written solely for this reason, Art and Vladek’s relationship portrayed in this way becomes increasingly present, especially going into Maus II, when Art speaks with his therapist concerning his own relationship to Vladek’s experiences during the Holocaust. Although Art continues to feel inferior in comparison to his father, his writing of Maus helped him to come to terms with why and in what way his generational trauma manifests itself in him.

Originally posted by mouse0 on February 07, 2025 13:28

Generational trauma describes the effects of a traumatic event occurring in one generation which is then passed down to the next, perpetuating more trauma and continuing a cycle. In the case of Art Spiegelman, the effects of generational trauma beginning from the Holocaust is shown through his relationship with the “ghost” of his brother and the suicide of his mother. Art had constantly compared himself to Richieu, and began to develop resentment and jealousy of him, as he was under the impression that his parents would rather have Richieu back than be with him. As shown in Maus, one of the key components that led to his line of thinking would be how a picture of Richieu was in his parent’s bedroom, while there was no seen picture of him. Richieu was put on a pedestal which depleted Art’s self-worth and created distance between him and his parents. This would then lead to inner conflict as he had never met his brother as he had died previously in the Holocaust. Generational trauma had also manifested following his mother’s suicide. It is assumed that the trauma from the Holocaust influenced this action, which then passed the trauma down to Art, who had blamed himself for it. Art’s perceived inferiority and immense guilt were products of the trauma of the Holocaust despite it occurring before he was even born, “[p]ostmemory characterizes the experience of those who grow up dominated by narratives that preceded their birth” (Hirsch 22). Furthermore, Art’s experience is not the only one, as the impacts of generational trauma passed down by Holocaust survivors plague many families, shaping the development of familial relationships. One of the most well known origins of mass generational trauma would be slavery. Even to this day we can still observe the impacts of this event on the black community. A primary example would be the relationship between black fathers and their families. Throughout history, black men have been the target of legal injustice and racist violence. This took many black fathers from their homes, leaving their children with the absence of the influence of their father. This proceeds throughout generations, eventually generating the stereotype of constant absent black fathers, harming the black community. Another critical example would be the lack of trust in the healthcare system, a system historically having race-based medical malpractice. This fear has been passed down through generations, along with racial healthcare disparities, increasing health risks. Generational trauma hurts following generations and limits their potential. It prevents them and the community as a whole from moving forward and leaving the past behind. It is best to move beyond generational trauma and to not live with it, however, acknowledging its presence is the most important aspect. Recognizing the effects reduces its power, as it gives those affected the ability to make more informed decisions and know more about themselves. This could range from attending therapy to spending time with family and developing stronger relationships. In art’s case, a solution would have been to spend more quality time with his father, and get to know him more. One of his methods may have been to talk about his father’s past, however, this simply may have been an excuse to cover up his more egotistical intentions, to solely get information for his book.

I think the most compelling part of your work is the generational trauma view. I too believe that Art unfortunately suffered from this condition because of what his mother went through during the Holocaust, but I think your modern example is an excellent one. Just as Art’s mother suffered a tragedy before Art was even born, black children experience the same type of trauma due to enslavement hundreds of years ago. I think the real question is whether or not the tragedies can be compared, but regardless, both Black individuals and Jewish individuals can reach a common ground about passing down the negative effects of experiencing such atrocities. While I agree that for Art to try and overcome his trauma he should become closer with his father, I do believe that he has been well off without a good relationship with his father and may be able to continue to live with said trauma. That being said, I believe that he should still attempt to conquer his generational trauma because there are others who did not get the opportunity and lost their lives, like his mother. Overall, I feel as though your post is a strong one with very agreeable topics, and that we can come to the same conclusion about the negative effects of generational trauma on younger generations..

I do think Spiegelman’s use of the comic form is effective in conveying the emotional and historical weight of the Holocaust. In general, or for me personally, the comic form helps with understanding and it is easier to follow. With topics that are very heavily based on story-telling and visuals, it is helpful to have images and scenes that paint a picture for the reader. The comic form has been used to convey multiple serious topics in the past like the March trilogy and I don’t see that this form should be limited to things like children’s books or superhero stories. The format also helps with the movement from past to present and it makes things less confusing. While reading, there is a visual and physical difference and shift between the past and the present which allows us to stay on the same page while Vladek’s story is being told. Without the visual, it could be confusing and would greatly harm or jeopardize the effectiveness of the novel. The main focus should be on the meaning of his story, not the confusion of what is actually happening. I think it can be argued that Maus lacks the seriousness needed to discuss the Holocaust because it’s extremely conversational and casual while Vladek and Artie talk to each other. They make jokes, and even get into small disagreements in the middle of his stories which could be seen as disrespectful to people who were and are affected by the Holocaust. Additionally, Artie is portrayed as not really caring about what happened in his story. Many times, it can be implied that he is only interested for the purpose of publishing his novel, not because he cares about what his father had to go through. As for the comic form, people are used to seeing this used for children’s books like the Diary of a Wimpy Kid or any superhero comics. Because it is so heavily used in this way, it’s hard to imagine that something with drawn images and such colloquial language could be used in a serious manner. In “The Shadow of Past Time”: History and Graphic Representation in Maus (Chute, 2006), it states that people aren’t worried about a comic book being capable of portraying the history, but more upset about the “cultural connotations of comics.” As I stated before, that simply has to do with what it’s been used for in the past and I don’t see why that can’t be changed and evolved over time. Graphic novels allow physical story-telling while also expressing a message and sharing a personal experience. When done correctly, it should not matter how a story is told, as long as it remains respectful and accurate.

Originally posted by bear00 on February 13, 2025 10:02

Art Spiegelman’s use of the graphic novel format to tell a very personal and historical story about the Holocaust In Maus was a positive one, with many upsides and little downsides. Some people might question whether comics can handle such a serious subject, but Spiegelman proved that combining images and words can make it easier for us to connect to these events. The way the story changes between past and present shows how the trauma these people went through is still relevant in their lives today, affecting both survivors and their families. Speigelman’s use of Mice in the story helps divide social groups, making the mice the Jewish people and cats the German Nazis, which helps us understand who is on what “side".

The comic format helps transition between past and present. Vladek tells his son Art about his Holocaust experiences while the reader also sees their present interactions. This shows how the trauma of the past still effects Vladek’s life and his relationship with Art. In The Shadow of Past Time: History and Graphic Representation in Maus, Hillary Chute states that Maus "stages the unassimilable, the traumatic, as a narrative that remains graphic—that is, composed of drawn images." This explains that Spiegelman’s format helps make the past feel like the present, with less of a flashback feel and more of an in the moment feel. This adds to the idea that trauma does not disappear but continues to change the lives of survivors and their children every day. Spiegelman’s use of graphic art allows readers to feel eomtions and mental struggles in a way that regular books cannot. By drawing the Jews as mice, the Germans as cats, and the Polish as pigs, he highlights differences in social classes and power. This also connects to Nazi propaganda, which dehumanized Jewish people and made them the “prey", which furthers our understanding on the severity of the situation.

Some argue that comics are meant for entertainment and do not have the depth needed for discussing serious topics like the Holocaust. Spiegelman addresses this argument in Maus, when he questions whether a comic book is the right way to tell his father’s story, worrying that people would not take it serious. By including this converstion, Spiegelman shows he is aware of the controversy while proving that comics can tell deep and meaningful stories.

Although this novel does share the history of his father’s, Vladek, experiences, Art finds it hard to understand his father’s suffering and feels it is hard to put this into a story. Vladek’s short-tempered and Insensitive personality are signs of the trauma he went through, and these traits impact his relationship with Art. They often butt heads over smaller things like Art trying to move along His story and write down the important pieces, rather than taking in the full story.

Maus proves that comics can effectively tell stories about history and trauma. The use of past and present, creative visuals and personal storytelling make the Holocaust’s impact very clear to readers. The comic format does not make the story less serious, but rather allows for a different, more engaging way to understand history.

Hi bear00!

I really liked your ideas in this post and I agree with everything you said. I think it’s really interesting how you explained why the comic is so helpful because you mentioned things I hadn’t even thought about before. For example, the fact that his stories aren’t just showing his past life, they also show that he’s reliving it in a way and that his feelings from his story-telling are what he’s feeling in that present moment. I also like that you included the way that portraying them as different animals shows social class and power because that’s something that is most effective in a comic. I think we have similar views on this topic because I really enjoyed it being in the form of a graphic novel and it helped my understanding a lot. I had talked about the fact that their conversation in between stories might be seen as disrespectful, but you actually made a good point about how it is just another example of generational trauma and how their relationship has been affected by a lack of understanding for what he went through. Overall this was really helpful and a really great post!

Originally posted by starfruit_24 on February 11, 2025 00:57

Generational trauma fundamentally shaped the upbringings of children like Spigelman. Though Spigelman himself wasn’t directly affected, his father, Vladek, is haunted by his past and carries his trauma in ways that deeply impact his relationship with Artie. In many instances within Maus I, when Artie tries to help his father, Vladek is adamant about doing everything his way. For example, when Vladek is organizing his pill box and knocks it over, Artie offers to help, but Vladek aggressively denies the help and states that only he can do it right. Vladek’s desire to have total control over his life is likely the result of his experiences during the Holocaust, where he had control over basically no aspect of his life—this habit of Vladek’s trickles down into his relationship with Artie in the form of distance. While Artie is willing to pursue a deeper relationship with his father, Vladek won’t let him get any closer than he already is. Vladek's desire for control seeps into his relationship with Artie and his wife.Marta has her own way of doing things, and it is a constant point of tension between the two. In Maus II, Richieu’s death makes Artie feel the pressure of being exactly who his parents want him to be. Richieu is significant for second generation survivors like Artie because he is a literal representation of generational trauma. Even though Artie didn’t live through the Holocaust, through Richieu’s legacy, he feels the effects and impacts and gets a better sense of how these events impacted his parents. According to the Intergenerational transmission of trauma in Spiegelman's Maus, the trauma Artie experiences can be characterized as vicarious. This refers to the emotional and psychological impact that occurs from hearing about the trauma of others. Vicarious trauma further emulates that the children of holocaust survivors, or anyone who experienced a traumatic event, can feel the burden of that trauma. Trauma experienced by (direct) ancestors significantly impacts young people. Firstly, it generally has the potential to lead to emotional burden. Just as Artie experienced, being surrounded by the stories and impact of traumatic events can fundamentally impact relationships and the way you view the world. Generational trauma can also lead to significant identity struggles. For people such as Artie, understanding the general burden of their community can be fundamental to understanding their own identity. Spigelman goes on the journey of connecting his personal identity to the burden of his community through the writing of Maus. Going along with identity and community, cultural preservation can become a staple for those on the receiving end of generational trauma, especially if that trauma was rooted in erasure.

Moving beyond trauma could occur at both the individual and community levels. While one may move on on the individual level, it is likely that they may still be bound by cultural practices and social structures on the community level. It would likely be very difficult to move past generational trauma simply. The impacts go far past the individual and have the potential to impact entire communities. Despite this, it may be possible to recognize this trauma in ways that will lessen future generations' burden.

The most compelling idea was, “Even though Artie didn’t live through the Holocaust, through Richieu’s legacy, he feels the effects and impacts and gets a better sense of how these events impacted his parents.” You say through Richieu’s legacy but he didn’t live long enough to plant a legacy. He left behind an irreparable loss in his parents' hearts. My views on your topic of focus are very similar. The idea of cultural preservation is prevalent across many cultures.

The overall writing is very nice; I only have a few suggestions. Some sentences are a bit long and could benefit from being shortened. The shortening would contribute to the overall clarity and flow of your piece.

Originally posted by anonymous on March 24, 2025 09:44

Spiegelman’s use of the comic form is effective in conveying the emotional and historical weight of the Holocaust. The medium has the right amount of seriousness needed to discuss the holocaust. The Holocaust is a very heavy topic of conversation. When discussing heavy topics, people tend to try to lighten up the situation by adding humor. The novel had the opportunity to be a lighthearted bonding moment for Spiegelman and his father, but I feel as though it diverged from that and became a search for a story. Despite the novel being a biography, it could’ve benefited from having real images from the time. I would make the novel a harder read in a sense but the imagery would provide the necessary visuals to be able to fully connect with the trauma of the people.

Hi peer!

The most conveying message was that the comic form of the book took away from the seriousness and heaviness of the Holocaust. I both agree and disagree with this. You said that it needed real images, but there were some already, and it there might have also not been many to begin with. I understand that humor may nit always be the answer when dealing with trauma, but if it is someone’s story and they choose to incorporate a little humor, or just any human-like interactions, makes the entire novel more genuine. I do not think humor per say makes the comic any less informative or appealing, and although I can understand some might oppose with Speigleman’s methods, it was always his to choose. He took his passion for art in order to convey the horrific and real story. Most also agree that the comics add depth instead of take away from the tragedy. My suggestion to add to your post is definitely to meet the word requirement and add quotes or paraphrases to make it more in depth. With the sources or examples the level of credibility for your claim would increase and it would improve the advance writings. Overall, your writing was good and with the few changes it could be even better!

Originally posted by Estalir on February 11, 2025 09:08

Generational trauma impacts the kids of Holocaust survivors because they’ll have to live through certain “atypical” habits that the parents may have picked up during the Holocaust. Such as Artie who has to live with his fathers habits of not spending money and getting everything he can for free despite any possible embarrassment. This is a habit Vladek has picked up during the Holocaust because money was valuable because it helped you survive another day and possibly gain some freedom. However, despite no longer being in the Holocaust and being rich, Vladek still saves every penny he gets simply because he spent so long doing this and Artie who has not lived through that time period is now forced to wear clothes and shoes until they're basically broken because Vladek wouldn’t want to spend money on new ones. We can see the effects on Artie from the generational trauma that Vladek experienced. Due to how Vladek acts because of his trauma from the holocaust he has raised Artie in a way that Artie personally does not agree with because he thinks it doesn’t make sense. He understands that some things are from the war but he repeatedly brings up how his neighbors who are also survivors from the holocaust do not act the same way. This disagreement in upbringing then causes a rift between Artie and his father when they grow older and at this point where the book takes place Artie wants to see as little from his father as possible. From the beginning of the story until the end this is true, and itis all due to the trauma from Vladek that he does not know how to take care of and still lives through. Despite not being the ones who lived through it, children of Holocaust survivors might have to live like they had due to these unbreakable habits. It really is not possible to move past generational trauma because these traumas, especially those from wars, are extremely strong and apparent in the survivors lives and due to that trauma the way that the children are raised is completely changed to accommodate for said trauma. Moving beyond these traumas is not a good idea because it causes these survivors to live in isolation and leaves those who committed such horrible deeds free to live their lives regardless of their need to be punished. Moreover, it pushes them into a corner that says their life experience does not matter and since this is such a major part of their lives, in a way it is kind of saying to these people that they do not matter to begin with. It is better to live with these traumas and acknowledge them because not only is it simply right because it gives acknowledgement to those who survived but also because it helps history not repeat itself. We learn history so we can grow as a society and simply ignoring these traumas is the same as ignoring the effects of the Holocaust.

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Hi Eastalir,

I really appreciated your post and how clearly you described the ways Vladek’s trauma shaped Art's life, especially through his fathers obsessive money saving. One of the most compelling ideas you brought up was how these “unbreakable habits” that come from surviving something like the Holocaust can shape not only the survivor's behavior but also how their children grow up. I agree that it;s unfair to say trauma just ends after one generation and it's something that gets passed on. Your example of Art having to wear broken shoes because Vladek refused to spend money really stood out and made the emotional distance between them feel more clear and realistic. I also liked your argument that moving past trauma isn’t always the right goal, and that acknowledging it honors the survivors' experience and helps prevent history from repeating. That part really connected with something I mentioned in my own post about how remembering and telling stories is a form of healing. One suggestion I have is maybe adding a bit more structure or transitions between ideas, just to make your point flow more smoothly. Also, this isn’t really a critique but something I would like to read you expand on is the moment when Art compares Vladek to other survivors -- I just think that was a really cool point that I didn’t initially think of. Overall, I loved your post and thought it was super strong and thoughtful.