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Rainier
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Weimar Germany and the People

Elisabeth von Kohler: Elisabeth recognizes the immense pressure that her country will face as a consequence of the war. She feels as though Germany is being treated unfairly and the other nations are not grateful enough for all it has done for them. Ideally for her, Germany would act as a model for other nations and be a model of the perfect European nation for Western Nations. Being an attorney, she is is upset at how the negotiations were done. She is extremely upset about Article 231 of the Treaty of Versailles that says that Germany must take the full blame but Article 109 of the Weimar Constitution pleases her. She has thoroughly looked through the Weimar Constitution since she expects many cases that surround such topics. The vagueness of many Articles of the Weimar Constitution annoy her and she expects there to be many exceptions and interpretations made.

While many of her friends and colleagues are in the DDP, Elisabeth stands against the constitutional reforms and wishes to stay with traditional German values. Due to this she gravitates to the DVP. In this party she finds many others that share her love for Germany and since she is a prominent attorney, she isn’t affected too much by the economic turmoil.


Wilhelm Schultz: The Treaty of Versailles greatly disrupted Wilhelm’s family. Not only is he now separated from both his grandfather and uncle. This makes traveling and visiting them much harder and requires passports and papers. Family had always been a big part of his life since he grew upon a family part and he is upset that the government would split his family up like this. He doesn’t understand how a government could betray such citizens like his grandfather and uncle and just let them go. His grandfather in Danzig writes him letters, trying to share the concept of a “free city” and the tensions between German and Polish citizens. Additionally, as a farmer, Wilhelm was forced to give some of his livestock to France and Germany. He worries about the effects of inflation and whether he will be able to keep the farm going.


Wilhelm finds himself leanings towards the KPD but after the coup had failed, he joined the USPD. He shared the dislike for war since it left him separated from family. Some other farmers he knew were part of the DNVP but his dislike towards the German government made him more left

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underthesea
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Originally posted by ilovechocolate on January 27, 2019 17:05

Elisabeth von Kohler is a prominent attorney who attended the University of Bonn. She has a strong sense of German tradition and believes passionately in her nation’s contributions to Western civilization. Like many German nationalists post WWI, Elisabeth’s country pride was probably hurt in Germany’s defeat in the great war. The Treaty of Versailles, excluding Germany from negotiations and deciding what happened to Germany as punishment for the war, is seen as a slap in the face because Elisabeth strongly believes that without Germany, western civilization would be nowhere close to where it is in the 1920’s. And that all those Western countries like England and France, wouldn’t be in their positions of power without Germany too. As an upper class educated woman, she was probably thrilled with the brand new Weimar Constitution which gave women the right to vote, a year before women in the United States, and which proudly announced German strength and unity under their new government. Despite Germany’s economic troubles in the 1920’s. Elisabeth was most likely well off and unaffected in essence compared to the working and lower classes, and wasn’t looking for more change her government in that respect. Also as a member of the upper class, as a prominent lawyer, Elisabeth probably enjoyed a lot of the flourishing of arts and literature sparked by German Expressionism in the 1920’s. I would think that as a nationalist and a well-off female professional who benefitted from the Weimar Republic, Elisabeth is a member of the DVP, which is supported by many people like her. Elisabeth probably wanted a more centrally controlled government that would protect the interests of the upper class, but liked how the new Weimar constitution gave her the right to vote and had the little escape clause in it, which could be used to tear up the republican constitution.

I agree very much with everything you said about Elisabeth in your response. In my response, I focused on various similar traits about Elisabeth that would contribute to her political affiliations and ideals involving Germany as you did. Elisabeth's education, profession, gender and status makes her a bit of an anomaly in comparison to others who we have focused our attention on. I like your point about how Elisabeth's likely higher economic status would make her rather unaffected by Germany's economic turmoil. I did not think about that! I do feel like Elisabeth would either fall in the DDP or the DVP if she were a bit more economically focused, as you made her out to be.

I think that it is important to consider Elizabeth’s various identities such as gender and class. I don’t think she would be completely unaffected by the turmoil in Germany, though. I think that if anything, her traditional side would push her to the DVP or the NDVP. There can be very educated people who are to the right of center.

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Karl Schmidt Karl is an employed worker who lives in the rich steel-producing area of the Ruhr. Before the war, he worked in the steel mills. During the war, he was a soldier at the front. He plans to return to the steel mills now that the war is over. He has a wife and two children.


How do you think each individual would react to the current events underway?

Germany emerged from World War 1 with huge debts, a devalued foreign currency, and they needed to pay huge reparations imposed by the Treaty of Versaille. By the time Karl Schmidt would’ve returned home he would be unemployed as Germany lost 48% of its steel industry due territorial changes. With no job and inflation rampant, Karl Schmidt would not be able to provide for his wife and two children. As food became scarce, he feel betrayed and angry because despite the sacrifices he made to fight for his country, he’d be unable to perform his parental duties. Schmidt would support the Weimar constitution as it sought to brought a form of order to the society. Article 21, 118, and 123 would make him feel like he has a greater say in the development of events in his country and be able to bring forth his grievances. The fact that constitution did prohibit women from working, would cause Schmidt to support it as they badly needed supplemental income.


What political parties would each have gravitated toward?

Schmidt social class would cause him to gravitate away from parties like the DAP, DNVP, and the DVP. Schmidt probably wouldn’t support the German Democratic Party (DDP) because he is interested in feeding his family, not constitutional reform, and also he most likely was not super educated. Although Schmidt would be left leaning, I’m not entirely convinced that Schmit would support the KPD because he had just come from a war and instituting communism would take a quite a while until he received the basic needs he would want for his family. I think Schmidt would fear another destructive battle as he is seeing the unraveling effects of a costly war. I think Schmidt would support the German Socialist Democratic Party because of it’s heavy expenditures on health, education, and welfare.


What sort of change/action/worry would they have sought from their country and/or had for themselves and their families?

I think Schmidt would be worried for the wellbeing of his family, therefore he seek and support a welfare state.




Elizabeth Von Kholer

Elisabeth is a prominent attorney who attended the University of Bonn. She has a strong sense of German tradition and believes passionately in her nation’s contributions to Western Civilization.


How do you think each individual would react to the current events underway?

As an Attorney, Elizabeth Von Kholer would be disappointed in the outcome of the Treaty of Versaille. Her nationalist tendencies would cause her to be outspoken against the concessions that Germany has to make to the Allied powers. She also mostly like still lives in Bonn, an area that would soon be occupied by international administration, this outcome would affect her daily life. She would also support the Weimar Republic because she believes in the contributions and self-determination. She would find solace as many of the articles in the constitution highlights the freedom and rights that all Germans share.


What political parties would each have gravitated toward?

Von Kholer most likely wouldn’t support the left leaning parties such as the KPD and right leaning one like the DAP because she is a nationalist and would not want to see a regime change. Because of her class parties like who are sensitive to the cause of the working class like the SPD and DDP would be avoided. She wouldn’t support the USPD because it is anti-war. Von Kholer’s bio suggests that she believes in the cause of the war. My earlier analysis doesn’t support the fact that’d she’d support the DNVP because it is anti-republic. I think she’d support the DVP because it is backed by Nationalists and professionals.



What sort of change/action/worry would they have sought from their country and/or had for themselves and their families?

I think she’d worry because her job would be in danger and inflation would make costs of living harder. She’d want her country and her region to return to pre-war glory.


@Ilovecholotate I was also on the fence about what party Von Kholer would be affiliated with but I think she would support the DVP because it supports working professionals


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Bonaduchi
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Gerda Munchen and Hermann Struts

Originally posted by freemanjud on January 24, 2019 08:06

Meet seven German citizens alive in the year 1921. All survived World War I.

  • Karl Schmidt Karl is an employed worker who lives in the rich steel-producing area of the Ruhr.Before the war, he worked in the steel mills.During the war, he was a soldier at the front.He plans to return to the steel mills now that the war is over.He has a wife and two children.
  • Eric von Ronheim Eric is the head of a Frankfurt textile factory.He was an officer in the war, but returned to his business after the war.
  • Gerda Munchen owns a small Munich grocery store started by her parents.She and her parents are saving money in the hope of enabling her to go to university in a few years.
  • Wilhelm Schultz works with his father on the family farm in East Prussia.His grandfather lives in Danzig; his uncle lives in the area only 5 miles away from the family farm, but now that the war has concluded, it’s part of Poland.
  • Hermann Struts Hermann, a lieutenant in the German army, fought bravely during the war.From a long line of army officers and as a graduate of a German military academy, he has taken pride in the army’s able defense of the nation and its strong leadership.He is a career military officer.
  • Elisabeth von Kohler Elisabeth is a prominent attorney who attended the University of Bonn.She has a strong sense of German tradition and believes passionately in her nation’s contributions to Western civilization.
  • Otto Hauptmann Otto works in a Berlin factory.He has joined a trade union and is an active member.

Select two of these seven.Be sure to identify who they are in bold in your post.

Now that you are well-informed about the Treaty of Versailles, the political parties of Weimar Germany, the effort to bring about democracy in the country, and the economic stresses of the 1920s-early 1930s in the country, how would your two “chosen” individuals have responded?

What I’m asking here is that you try to imagine the world of post-World War I, post-Treaty of Versailles, and mid-Weimar Germany through each of these individuals’ eyes.And then respond to:

  • How do you think each individual would react to the current events underway?
  • What political parties would each have gravitated toward?
  • What sort of change/action/worry would they have sought from their country and/or had for themselves and their families?

Be certain that you use the documents/handouts you have:

  • the summary of the Treaty of Versailles,
  • the Weimar Constitution,
  • the Weimar political parties,

as well as reference the material we looked at in class related to the

  • Treaty of Versailles,
  • and Weimar politics, economics, and cultural life.

Please post on this and then look to see if anyone else posted on at least one of your individuals.Weigh in on whether you agree with your classmates’ assessment of this person’s views or whether you disagree.This may require checking back on the discussion thread a bit, after you’ve posted.You can add this comment as a second post in the thread.

Gerda Munchen: I think that with all that has been going on with the political climate Gerda would be furious. No doubt the political climate affected the economic one leaving Gerda harmed in a in unfortunate way. Germany had to pay a lot of reparations after the war and that definitely would have put a heavy burden on her family’s small store. With all the taxes she and her family had to pay it most likely would have hindered her funds for college. She may have had to wait longer to go to college or may not even had gone at all. This would make anyone extremely upset especially any of the young people.

I believe that Gerda would have joined the German Social Democratic Party or the SPD. With it being a socialist party it’s ideals most likely would have lined up with Gerda’s. It also drew most of it’s support from the working and lower classes and I believe that the reparations would have pushed Gerda’s family to the lower working class if not just the working class. At first glance I thought she would join the German Democratic Party or DDP considering she wanted to be an intellectual and that was the intellectual party at the time. Upon further consideration I thought that she wants to be one and is not one yet.

I think that Gerda and her family would strive for economic change rather than political change. I think they would want some government assistance in keeping their store afloat. I also think they would want the government to give them their money back so that Gerda can get to University.

Hermann Struts: I think that Hermann’s National Pride would be hurt. All his pride has derived from the competence of the German Military so since they failed I think that he would be very upset and even want to get revenge. Military was his whole life’s focus and having so bad of a loss would mortally wound the ego of anyone similar. All his life’s work would be virtually flushed down the drain. I think that all that disappointment would eventually lead to anger.

I think that Hermann would start in the German’s People’s Party or the DVP. I believe Hermann would be anti-republic and he already is a nationalist for the most part so this party would be great for him

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Bonaduchi
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Gerda Munchen and Hermann Struts

Originally posted by freemanjud on January 24, 2019 08:06

Meet seven German citizens alive in the year 1921. All survived World War I.

  • Karl Schmidt Karl is an employed worker who lives in the rich steel-producing area of the Ruhr.Before the war, he worked in the steel mills.During the war, he was a soldier at the front.He plans to return to the steel mills now that the war is over.He has a wife and two children.
  • Eric von Ronheim Eric is the head of a Frankfurt textile factory.He was an officer in the war, but returned to his business after the war.
  • Gerda Munchen owns a small Munich grocery store started by her parents.She and her parents are saving money in the hope of enabling her to go to university in a few years.
  • Wilhelm Schultz works with his father on the family farm in East Prussia.His grandfather lives in Danzig; his uncle lives in the area only 5 miles away from the family farm, but now that the war has concluded, it’s part of Poland.
  • Hermann Struts Hermann, a lieutenant in the German army, fought bravely during the war.From a long line of army officers and as a graduate of a German military academy, he has taken pride in the army’s able defense of the nation and its strong leadership.He is a career military officer.
  • Elisabeth von Kohler Elisabeth is a prominent attorney who attended the University of Bonn.She has a strong sense of German tradition and believes passionately in her nation’s contributions to Western civilization.
  • Otto Hauptmann Otto works in a Berlin factory.He has joined a trade union and is an active member.

Select two of these seven.Be sure to identify who they are in bold in your post.

Now that you are well-informed about the Treaty of Versailles, the political parties of Weimar Germany, the effort to bring about democracy in the country, and the economic stresses of the 1920s-early 1930s in the country, how would your two “chosen” individuals have responded?

What I’m asking here is that you try to imagine the world of post-World War I, post-Treaty of Versailles, and mid-Weimar Germany through each of these individuals’ eyes.And then respond to:

  • How do you think each individual would react to the current events underway?
  • What political parties would each have gravitated toward?
  • What sort of change/action/worry would they have sought from their country and/or had for themselves and their families?

Be certain that you use the documents/handouts you have:

  • the summary of the Treaty of Versailles,
  • the Weimar Constitution,
  • the Weimar political parties,

as well as reference the material we looked at in class related to the

  • Treaty of Versailles,
  • and Weimar politics, economics, and cultural life.

Please post on this and then look to see if anyone else posted on at least one of your individuals.Weigh in on whether you agree with your classmates’ assessment of this person’s views or whether you disagree.This may require checking back on the discussion thread a bit, after you’ve posted.You can add this comment as a second post in the thread.

Gerda Munchen: I think that with all that has been going on with the political climate Gerda would be furious. No doubt the political climate affected the economic one leaving Gerda harmed in a in unfortunate way. Germany had to pay a lot of reparations after the war and that definitely would have put a heavy burden on her family’s small store. With all the taxes she and her family had to pay it most likely would have hindered her funds for college. She may have had to wait longer to go to college or may not even had gone at all. This would make anyone extremely upset especially any of the young people.

I believe that Gerda would have joined the German Social Democratic Party or the SPD. With it being a socialist party it’s ideals most likely would have lined up with Gerda’s. It also drew most of it’s support from the working and lower classes and I believe that the reparations would have pushed Gerda’s family to the lower working class if not just the working class. At first glance I thought she would join the German Democratic Party or DDP considering she wanted to be an intellectual and that was the intellectual party at the time. Upon further consideration I thought that she wants to be one and is not one yet.

I think that Gerda and her family would strive for economic change rather than political change. I think they would want some government assistance in keeping their store afloat. I also think they would want the government to give them their money back so that Gerda can get to University.

Hermann Struts: I think that Hermann’s National Pride would be hurt. All his pride has derived from the competence of the German Military so since they failed I think that he would be very upset and even want to get revenge. Military was his whole life’s focus and having so bad of a loss would mortally wound the ego of anyone similar. All his life’s work would be virtually flushed down the drain. I think that all that disappointment would eventually lead to anger.

I think that Hermann would start in the German’s People’s Party or the DVP. I believe Hermann would be anti-republic and he already is a nationalist for the most part so this party would be great for him. Hermann also seems to be well off and of the professional upper middle class which is the perfect target for the DVP. I think that a Hermann would start there and then go on to the German National People’s Party or the DNVP when the DVP seems to fall through on its promises. I feel like the DVP won’t e enough for Hermann and that he will eventually transfer to the DNVP.

I think that all Hermann really wants is for the pride to be restored to mother Germany. I believe that he has nationalistic values that need to be satisfied that aren’t being satisfied. I believe that Hermann would go through any lengths to solidify Germany’s strength and prowess especially in the military

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Bonaduchi
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Hermann Struts

Originally posted by Shelly on January 27, 2019 16:01

Hi all,


Weimar Germany is a very interesting time in history, and I feel like it was a pivotal point in time. I feel like today we need to pay attention to what happened back then, because there are lots of parallels between Weimar Germany and the United States. Today I will be looking at two different sides of the political spectrum, and they are Hermann Struts and Otto Hauptmann. I chose these two because they represent the far right and the far left. This is very similar to how politics in america are today.


First I will talk about Hermann Struts. He is a man who has his and his entire family’s life centered on the military. He would be very upset with the treaty of Versailles since he would be out of a job. He would want Germany to return to the way it was back before the war and consider that “the good old days”. He would also be upset with the state of the economy because before the end of the war, Germany had a pretty strong economy that would pay him well for being a good soldier. Now that the economy is in ruin, all of his hard work is not being paid for. He would also be upset because of the change in leadership in the country. This is because his description says that he used to be proud of the “strong leadership” in Germany. The current German leadership has taken him from being a proud military to poor and unemployed. With this, Struts was definitely part of the NSDAP party. This is because of his military lineage and how much pride he took in the German military. It is said that the NSDAP party had a great following of young men who were in the military but unable to integrate back into society. This seems to fit well along the lines of Struts’ description. He is said to be a “career military officer” and given most of the German army was shut down by the treaty of Versailles, he would be left with no way to go back into civilian life since he has his entire life is the military. He joined this party because he hoped that this would bring back into its state before the war, and that he would maybe get his job as a military officer back. In the end, Struts really just wants to be back on the front lines fighting bravely like his family before him. It is his passion, and with this new government, he cannot live the life he wants to.


The second person that I will write about is Otto Hauptmann. When he looks at what was happening then, he was not very happy with it. He believed that this way of governing was useless, and that nothing fair was going to happen because of it. He would have believed that this kind of presidency was hurting Germany more than helping it. He didn’t really care about the economy or the army since he was part of a trade union and did not join the army. Because of this,Otto Hauptmann would be part of the KPD. This is because he was part of a trade union and lived happily with that equality and the union. He as a Communist felt that Germany should be run more like Russia. Russia was run like a dictatorship where everything was equally distributed, and thus in his eyes, they all lived in peace. He is also evidently communist because of how he did no care about the economy. In Communism, everything is equal, so economy is not important. I feel like all that Otto really wanted is for everyone to live in peace and equality. He knows that this government is in turmoil, and if they transformed over to communism, this would stop. He feels that communism would be the solution to everything, but in reality, it may solve some problems, but it will also create others.


All in all I feel that this was a really interesting unit, and that it will become much more relevant in the weeks to come with the building of the border wall and the next presidential election.


Don’t forget to comment,

Shelly


P.S. It won't let me bold the names so i'll just write it here

Hermann Struts and Otto Hauptmann

I agree with the ideals you have written for Hermann Struts. I also think that Hermann’s entire life and livelihood is based off of the success of the military. I however think that he would have joined the DNVP after having such a desolate life after the war. Hermann no doubt wants reform and revenge so he will join the most radical of groups to get his results. I think that Hermann will stop at nothing to restore Mother Germany to her former glory

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Elisabeth von Kohler Elisabeth is a prominent attorney who attended the University of Bonn. She has a strong sense of German tradition and believes passionately in her nation’s contributions to Western civilization. I think that Elizabeth would be upset in the aftermath of the war, given her pride in Germany and would feel that Germany was being treated unjustly in the Treaty of Versailles. She would support the Weimar Constitution which gives women the right to vote, and feel pride in the German government. Elizabeth was well educated and probably pretty wealthy. As a member of the upper class, she did not have the same concerns as the middle and lower classes and benefited from the Weimar. I believe she would have been part of the DVP. She wanted the government to benefit people like her and she also liked the ability to vote.

Otto Hauptmann Otto works in a Berlin factory. He has joined a trade union and is an active member. I think that he would have been frustrated and unhappy with the government at the time. The economic failure following the war and the 1920’s would have affected Otto. He would have been hurt badly as a factory worker and be a part of a party that supports the working class, I think he would have been part of the SPD or DAP. He also would have supported the Weimar constitution as a union worker because he can peacefully protest. He would want more power to the working class reflected in the government. He would want change in the government.


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Tagaros
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People's Response to WW1

The two people I selected are Karl Schmidt and Gerda Munech. Both of these people would have been financially devastated. After all, the area where Karl Schmidt worked had been taken away during the Treaty of Versailles, therefore making his job disappear. And all the money Gerda's family managed to save would be worthless due to the economic collapse as a result of the billions of dollars of reparations Germany had to pay as a result of losing the war, not to mention that all of their technological industries (like the Ruhr) were taken away by the Treaty of Versailles, making it harder to pay the enormous amount of reputations. This would also mean she wouldn't be able to afford to go to university, and they would likely have to sell their grocery store, as no one could afford to buy food and keeping it would cost more than it was worth. Both of these two people's futures would be destroyed, even though Gerda was a regular civilian, and Karl was a mere soldier, who was just getting back from the war and already would have had a hard time fitting in with society.

Both of these people, and their families as well, would likely have joined the German Social Democratic Party, as ot appealed to the middle and lower classes, of which they were a part of. Karl would most likely have wanted the country to welcome him more, and to appreciate his efforts, as we learned about the many riots and revolts by the civilians, whom the soldiers believed had stabbed them in the back. He would also have wanted Germany to retake the Ruhr, so he could get his job back and support his family. Gerda's family would likely have been concerned more about the nation getting back on its feet so that they could afford to own the store and see their daughter off to a university. Sadly, neither of these desires would likely become reality until it was already too late.

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Tagaros
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Originally posted by Torino on January 27, 2019 16:42

Hello all,


Weimar Germany was a very polarizing time for Germany. Some people see Germany as under attack by the Treaty of Versailles, others may have felt under attack by the government and the ruling class. The country of Germany would have been very divided about the constitution and about the outcome of the war. This would create a society that is not at all unified under the new constitution. So I decided to chose the two people who are potentially on the opposite sides of the spectrum, Karl Schmidt and Gerda Munchen.

Karl Schmidt:

Karl Schmidt an employed worker who works for steel mills. I think that Karl would probably have gravitated towards the SDP because that represented the working and lower middle classes. He also would have been more of a pacifist because he participated in the war. Karl would most likely be seeking stability and peace within the Weimar republic since it is unlikely that he would have wanted to go to war again. The problem with Karl is that there are not going to be very many jobs in Germany. He wants to support his family and wants to work to get a better life for his wife and children which may mean that he goes to drastic measures to save his family from harm. This in turn makes me think that he may not be entirely a social democrat after all. If he does not get his job back he most likely would have become either a communist or become incredibly militarized because of his war experience.

Gerda Munchen:

Gerda Munchen owns a small grocery store that is partially owned and operated by her parents. They wish to sent Gerda off to university so that she can have a better life in the future. However since they have been saving up from before the economy crashed their money is virtually worthless after the Treaty of Versailles. If that had happened her family would most likely have gravitated towards the DAP or the German Workers Party because they have lost everything. Logically if their savings have been rendered useless Gerda and her family will go out looking for someone to blame. That someone is most likely going to be the people who are seen as running the banks and monetary systems, the Jews. Gerda and her family are probably not particularly well educated and will start to gravitate towards the right and the extreme right. They may have even liked what Hitler was saying, therefore aligning them with the extreme right.


Finally I just wanted to say that this post seemed quite fitting for January 27, 2019 or Holocaust remembrance day. I want everyone to think back to what humans can do to other humans and remember to be kind and thoughtful today and all days in the future.


Torino.

I do not think Gerda's family, or at Gerda herself, would have expressly blamed the Jews. The fact that her parents were saving up for her going to university means that she has already received an extensive enough education to at the very least consider doing so, if not actively looking for somewhere to go. Therefore, it is harder to believe that she would believe these accusations, as she would likely be educated eniugh to know the real reasons for why all of her saved money is now worthless. While this may not necessarily apply for her parents, ahe may at least have been able to dissuade them from the groundless claims against the Jewish population. However, it is a possibility that her parents, with maybe herself included, were so distraught upon learning that she would likely have no future, that they would believe logic that defies reason.

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