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WindWanderer
Posts: 9

Reproductive Tech, genetic engineering, right and wrong

I think that if we lived in a society such as this one, some people would be stronger, healthier, and more “upstanding” members of society. The people who get modified even before they’re born will certainly have advantages in life, and things would generally be easier for them. Anton was genetically modified to have as many characteristics that would not be received with prejudice as possible. However, how many people would actually be able to pay for such modifications? A major downside to doing this is potentially further separating people, and even potentially countries, by economic status. Some people might not be able to afford it, whereas others might be able to afford it several times over. Some countries might not even be able to afford to perform the procedure. And of course, those modified would have an easier time navigating the world, but only because they were made to be that way. Again, it would create a large divide between members of society.

I would want to be a “faith” baby. The idea that my parents would want a perfect version of me, right down to the DNA, doesn’t sit right with me. I understand that being modified in this world generally means that success is likely, I still wouldn’t want to be made for the purpose of success rather than love. There’s also a pressure that comes with genetic modification to be perfect, to be successful. Even though any mental illness would be eliminated even before birth, there’s still a good chance of stress becoming a problem if the desired success is not achieved.

If I was deemed an in-valid, I don’t personally think that I would go to the lengths that Vincent did to get into the Gattaca program. First of all, I am not that brave. I probably would not have tried to break out of my status in the first place. But, it also seemed like so much work to keep up their act. Vincent had to make blood fingerprint sachets every day just to get into work, Eugene had to be in a bag to make samples of pee that would be used for interviews and other routine tasks, and both of them had to be on constant alert. There is a lot of blood pricking in this society, and the need to carry around someone's blood and pretend that it is mine freaks me out. I think that what they did was very stressful even watching, and there were too many risks. There's no real way around DNA, and so I would not do something like this.

This connects to the idea of eugenics mainly because of the reasoning behind the modifications. Their purpose was to remove any imperfections from children to create a perfect society. Eugenics is the idea that it is one's genes that determine intelligence, success, and overall validity of a person. This movie connects to that idea because a procedure is done to remove any illness to a child to ensure that they succeed. If they're not genetically modified, they're at risk for imperfection, and if they do end up having any, they're frowned down upon. Vincent emphasizes just how important genes are to society are a few different times, saying things like, "the real resume is in my cells," and, pointing out that his brother, who was modified, was worthy of his father's name, implying that he himself is not.

This movie relates to the question of "how far would you go to have a child without imperfections?" Clearly, many parents in this movie are willing to undergo a procedure in which potential children are made, and they hand pick the one they want to be theirs. At the very beginning, Vincent says that it is even looked down upon to be born out of love, which goes back to the question we looked at earlier, of what we look for in partners. What he suggests is that people look for partners based on their genes and how "good" they are. It goes to show how absorbed people can be with perfection, and how eugenics tales a completely different perspective when it comes to human life.

monkeypox_area51
South Boston, Massachusetts , US
Posts: 6

Gattaca and the promise of "perfect" people

What exactly are these “desirable traits”? Do they also consist of modified personality and mental health? Overall, I would say it results in an overall net positive outcome due to the decrease in diseases and medical limitations. It would be more positive if being a “faith baby” or genetically modified did not decide your life and career path for you. The immense stress and hardships Vincent had to go through just for the opportunity to succeed were insanely intense and simply showed the inequality faced if one is a “faith baby.” People may have been healthier and more robust, but obviously, as shown by Jerome's suicide, even being a valid genetically modified person does not bring automatic prosperity, showing that genetic modifications do not create perfection. It can be argued that genetic modification increases capabilities to deal with modern life challenges, but that mental success comes truly from a person within, and unless you can code in determination to someone, then, no, they do not make someone more capable of dealing with modern life challenges.


Personally, if I were to choose, I would rather be a genetically modified baby based solely on the difference in opportunities. Invalid people are seen as worth less than valid people, leading to heavy discrimination in school, jobs, and just daily life. Vincent faced so many challenges throughout his life as Jerome. He was so dedicated he even got surgery to gain two more inches of height to fit as Jerome. After all of these sacrifices, Vincent had to continue this fake identity for the ability to live out his dream of traveling to space. There is no way I would have been able to go as far as Vincent went in terms of his fake identity. The number of unexpected tests Vincent had to pass would have caught me off guard at some point, that’s if I had managed not to leave a single hair or trace of any kind at some point. Along with the greater opportunities available physically, I would not face many difficulties in the medical field as those negative possibilities were coded out. The hierarchy formed from the rise of eugenics and discrimination following genetic modification was heavily ethic based as the ability to get genetic modifications did not only come down to choice but was also an extremely expensive process making it unattainable for some. Although eugenics may bring a new form of discrimination, it is arguably worth the decrease of diseases, crime, etc.

smeeworg
West Roxbury, MA, US
Posts: 11

(Sorry for this being late, I accidentally posted it to the wrong section)


If I were living in a society like the one in the movie, I would choose to be a baby whose genes have been modified, and I feel that parents who choose otherwise would be doing the child a disservice. The child would have a harder time doing the same things as everyone else and would be disadvantaged for its entire life just because of one choice they made. If the same choice were given to me in today’s world, I might choose to be a faith baby since I wouldn’t be at a disadvantage, but it’s different being in the movie’s society. Secondly, I think there may be benefits of genetically removing certain things, like susceptibility to cancer, heart disease, etc. I think people could be better able to handle modern day life without these and we would also see lower allocation of resources to these illnesses.

I don’t think I would have the daringness to go the lengths Vincent did, so I would probably just hope I'm “valid”. There were punishments if you an invalid, and the only reason Vincent didn’t get punished was because he had a brother in law enforcement, had the support of the doctor, and made a friend, Irene, who also had genetic defects. However, I understand why Vincent did what he did. He had a fascination with science as a kid, and being told by your own parents that the only way he could only see the inside of a rocket was to clean it must’ve really hurt.


Eugenics and the societal structure in the movie are similar in that they separate people based off of inherited traits, but they differ in that the structure in the movie is actually backed up by science. Although the dystopian society creates a miserable living experience for many people, there is tangible evidence to back up its cause, unlike in eugenics, where “scientists” made up claims that justified the lower position of certain racial groups. I think the movie shows discrimination really well. People being separated based on genotypic differences is pretty much the definition of racial discrimination.

The film brings up the question if discrimination could ever been used in a justifiable context. To be in space, the elite workers needed to be in very good shape and also couldn’t have any risk of heart disease, or else it may place both the mission or the astronauts at risk. This begs the question: under these circumstances, is it ok for their society to discriminate against certain people? I think people who believed eugenics probably wondered the same thing, although they were probably more willing to discriminate.

Eisenhower34
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 10

Gattaca - Analysis Questions

  • If we ever reach the technological stage whereby, we have the ability to modify the genetic structure of a human embryo, this would be a pivotal moment in our species’ history. I not only believe that this is the next step of our growth and development as a species, but also a logical extension of our scientific progress. By developing such capabilities as we see in GATTACA (potentially being more efficient and effective than the type we see in the movie), generations of humans would be healthier, as harmful and inhibiting genetically inherited traits and diseases would largely be phased out of the population. Humans would be stronger and less predisposed to committing crimes. They would be better able to function in today’s society as their productivity and proclivity to survive and sustain themselves in today’s world would be greatly improved from our own. They would also be able to function in future societies. As the technology advances, improvements will likely be noticed, and maybe versions of our genetically altered species will be better adapted to function and operate in the microgravity of space, or on other planets. Humanity’s destiny lies in the stars. Exploration will likely not begin even within the far future but inevitably we will venture beyond the earth and moon. The exploration of other worlds was hinted at in the movie itself, with the main character Vincent having an aspiration to travel in space. (Which is something his biologically unfit self would find a great deal of difficulty to achieve, with his problematic heart condition). As humans continually push outwards into the stars, we will find it to be of great importance that we are better adapted to life on other worlds. The only efficient way to accomplish this is through genetic alteration. The only downside to this is our sociological proclivity to discriminate, victimize, and be prejudiced towards different people based on arbitrary factors. Differences between two sects of people has led to violence, war and death. In order for this advancement to be witnessed and appreciated as such, we must first conquer our inherent human mentality of discrimination and prejudice. This has the potential, if not efficiently quelled before this technology is developed, to lead to gargantuan calamities, or at the very least a war. Whilst global conflict was not explored in the film, discrimination becomes a societal fixture in the world of GATTACA. The movie is a warning and a glimpse into a society whereby our tendencies to discriminate against one another haven’t been efficiently quelled, and thus this technology has become one big fuel to light the world ablaze in rampant discrimination against the genetically modified and the non-genetically modified.
  • If I was alive in such a world, I would prefer to be a genetically altered baby, a “valid” as opposed to a “in-valid”. I would want the best for myself, and unfortunately within this hyper-discriminatory world, that seems like the class that is most favorably looked upon by society. Vincent, as clearly shown in the movie, has to navigate through constant hurdles, sacrifice his own identity and borrow one of the vices just to achieve his goals. The risks supersede the benefits of preserving one’s own self, and even then; if you're genetically modified, you are still 100% yourself just the improved parts, the hindrances and the diseases and the damaging effects removed.
  • As previously mentioned, not only does the films plot link heavily to discrimination and especially eugenics, but the technology in it of itself can be linked to these two damaging fixtures of 20th century human sociology. Eugenics is the false science of how to choreograph reproduction within a population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as “desirable”. This directly ties in with the plot of the movie, as the movie is set in a society that, through incredible advancement in genetic alteration and engineering, removes the traits considered to be undesirable by society. The plot of this movie, however, was how Vincent managed, through various workarounds and a meticulous planning and methodology, to circumvent these boundaries and achieve his goal of going into space. Eugenics and this science, at face value, seem intrinsically linked. Both seek to modify humanity to a more desirable form. The main separation between this science and eugenics is, in my view, how eugenics' primary role in society has been as a method used to discriminate against others. This technology has the potential to drastically improve human life. As stated before though, we must remove our human tendency to discriminate against one another, a colossal yet achievable undertaking, in order for this development to be fully appreciated and the outcomes of which to be beneficial for humanity, not harmful.
M3L0D7
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 7
  1. I do not think that manipulating genes is going to have a net positive result for society. Along with racism, I think that it is just going to separate people more. Friends against friends, brothers against brothers, and more. In the movie Gattaca, the movie puts a clear emphasis on the rivalry between Vincent and his brother, Anton. They become divided as they grow up. Vincent hears negative comments about how he is not going to live as long and how he will never be able to do anything meaningful. Anton receives compliments because his genetics are “perfect” and in turn everything he does is perfect.
  2. More people would be “healthier” in terms of physically, but mentally and emotionally? Most likely not. Everyone will be affected negatively. The idea of always being better will be ingrained into the “perfect” people. When the time comes that they are not number one, it will take a mental toll on them. Jerome is an example of this. He attempted to take his life when he placed second in his swimming competition. The people born naturally will always face discrimination, whether it be socially or professionally. No one does well when they are dropped into an environment that is actively trying to resist them. Although Vincent studied all throughout his childhood, he was not allowed to become an astronaut due to his genetics. He is seen as less than capable. He gets a job as a janitor instead.
  3. I do not think crime rates will decrease drastically. In Gattaca, there’s a short scene where one of the detectives is at a prison. He states that because the murderer is an invalid, they probably have done some time in jail. Because the invalids are discriminated against, they are forced to use less ethical means to pass by. This is connected to how minorities are pushed towards criminality due to the circumstances given by our system. It happens now and will continue to happen if the modification of genes becomes absolute.
  4. With that being said, I would prefer to be a genetically modified baby. I would not have the strength to push through like Jerome did. Certainly not to the point of becoming an entirely different person. I will always be paranoid. This question is a difficult one as it pertains to selfishness. Will you do it for yourself or for others? The risk of being a genetically modified one will be that instead of fighting the system, you are feeding it. That decision will incentivize the continuation of genetic modification. The risk of being a “faith baby” is that you will have to face a lifetime of discrimination.
  5. Another issue with this system is that eventually everyone is going to be more or less similar to each other. It’s like that one saying “If everyone is perfect, no one is.” Will there be another period where we would have to again weed out the lesser of the already perfect people? It will be a continuous cycle.
Mylienta
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 10

Gattaca and the promise of "perfect" people

If I was alive during this time I would prefer a "faith baby" because its more of a personal preference. There is nothing concrete about my choices and what I would prefer to do but it the more ethical choice. Choosing to go the route of genetic modification is almost trying to play life and in a more religious standpoint trying to play as God. You can't just choose the 'best genes' out of a gene pool because with that you are saying that those with those genes aren't 'perfect' which is in a way ableist. Vincent wouldn't have needed to go through the things that he went through if society was more welcoming of people being born differently. Also if everyone was born the same there would be no variety, and perfection would soon be the norm and people would find new ways to make themselves seem better than others so regardless of the fact what is seen to be perfect then wouldn't be seen as perfect in the future.

- Would I roll the dice? Well its not about rolling dice having a child regardless of how and what its born with its a blessing. I would definitely roll the dice genetic modification doesn't align with what I believe in, in terms of ways to have a child. I wouldn't want to go through the lengths Vincent did but if I had to I would. Not being able to live a normal life because of something that I can't control is not only discriminative but impractical. In a time like today the risks are limitless playing with genetics presents a plethora of possible issues, like regardless if its not natural the body with reject it one way or another.

- Firstly Eugenics and discrimination are almost always connected to each other. Things like racism, sexism, ableism can all be linked to eugenics and how the person is physically presented. The fact that Vincent was born and automatically put into a category of those who aren't able to do certain things or earn high paying jobs because of factors that he can't control. He went through the intricate plan of posing as someone else to live a normal life as someone more qualified than those who were 'genetically pure' something that I don't blame him for doing. The justification for eugenics is lack of discrimination but this isn't all the way true, like I touched on before people will end up striving for more than perfection and once they get it they discriminate against those who don't live up to unrealistic standards like when Vincent was born he had everything predestined for him as soon as his health conditions was disclosed. He was born with features he couldn't control and was punished because of it.

Soxbestcat!
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 7

Reproductive Technologies, Genetic Engineering, and Questions of Right and Wrong

Theoretically, if we were able to manipulate genes, humans would be healthier and be able to live better lives. However, if society is ever able to achieve this, it also brings an inevitable problem. Whether this problem takes the form of what happens in Gattaca where non-modified people are shunned or whether, for example, it’s made illegal to have un-modified children, thus eliminating the freedom of choice, it would greatly harm society.


In Gattaca, there is also the issue of equating perfect genes with a perfect person. Jerome was told he was supposed to be perfect because his genes were perfect, but when he won second place, he tried to commit suicide because he wasn’t the best. In a way, I understand how he felt. I am constantly told I am supposed to be smart because of my race and when I am not, people are often shocked or disappointed.


Even though “valids” like Jerome suffer under the burden of perfection, which ultimately killed him, I think whether it’s better to be “valid” or “in-valid” really varies person to person, depending on the way each person views life and how they would weigh the pros and cons. If I were alive in the world of Gattaca, I would definitely prefer to be a baby whose genes had been modified. There wasn’t much difference between “valids” and “in-valids” besides the way they were treated by society. The discrimination that Vincent faced because of him being a faith baby was immense. He was relegated to being a janitor his whole life and told that he would never be capable of being anything. His own family never believed in him. However, he was able to prove that he was just as and even more capable than some “valids” through his hard work and persistence. He beat his brother in two swimming competitions because he pushed himself further than his brother likely ever did or needed to. Vincent was able to achieve his dreams because he never quit and he never stopped believing in himself. For anyone else with even slightly less determination, it would be next to impossible to do what he did.


I think if I was an “in-valid”, I personally would not be able to do any of what Vincent did. He put his life on the line daily and had to work so much harder than everyone else. He was forced to pretend to be someone he wasn’t and he had to get height surgery just to pass.

Vincent was also incredibly brave. He lived in fear everyday that someone would find out about his secret and had to go to great lengths to protect himself. He ran across a road with cars rushing past so that Irene wouldn’t find out about him being “in-valid” despite the fact that he could barely see, whereas I think I would’ve chickened out and made some excuse to not go.


As proved by the movie, eugenics cannot exist without discrimination. Vincent, who was just as good a person as anyone else considered to be “valid,” was never given a chance because of his genes. Even though most people were “valid,” the few that weren’t, were not allowed to pursue anything with their lives, constantly told they would be incapable. Even “valids” who weren't valid enough, like Irene, who had a higher risk of heart failure, weren’t able to do everything they wanted to. She was allowed to work at Gattaca, but barred from actually going to space. This movie also really emphasizes the idea that genetics don’t mean everything and they cannot tell you everything about a person. After all, Donald Trump, who claims to have great genes, is not known for being a great person.


I do think genetic research can greatly benefit society. Gene therapy can be used to help treat or prevent harmful diseases like cancer. However, I think if we try to apply gene-editing to all humans for every single gene or reproduction, that’s where the ethics gets a little hazy and we should proceed with caution.

autumn_
boston, massachusetts, US
Posts: 8

The promise of "perfect" people-- and the flaws behind it.

I find this first question difficult, because its a battle between advantage and morals. While the idea of being able to choose a baby’s genes seems morally unethical, being able to have a guaranteed better life could outway the cons. Ultimately, I wonder how far would these modifications go? Mental modifications even? I personally think I would choose to be genetically modified, simply because of the problem where if later in life I had a physical issue that could have been prevented, I would have regrets. Ultamitely, I would want to make the choice that would leave me with no regrets. Which one that is, I do not know. Digging deeper, there would be the goal of being the perfect child, which would have only negative consequences. Considering that there truly is no such thing as the perfect human, we would be striving to fulfill an unachievable prophecy. On another note, I think my personal flaws are what make me human. If I were a nearly (or simply) perfect person, all of my flaws and imperfections that make me me would be nonexistent, and that seems like a rather boring existence. After all, Vincent’s life as “in-valid” was one still filled with thrill and enjoyment. He seems to be doing just fine, even with his “in-valid” state. On my final note, being modified would prevent me with facing challenges simply for the way I exist. As a minority in our modern day world, I know that my life would be much easier if my identity was simply…different. If I had the choice to eliminate those challenges in this world without changing aspects of who I am, I would take it in a heartbeat.


This film relates to eugenics and the idea that there are more genetically fit people than others. Ultimately, eugenics is absolutely bogus, so I can contrast it from this world where the genetically modified children are backed by science. It is also similar to eugenics because valids and non-valids mirror the minorities of our modern day world. The fact that people in the film are discriminated against simply for the way they exist seems awfully familiar…Luckily, this film paints ideas like eugenics in a bad light. Gattaca also highlights the flaws within an idea of a perfect society. The ideas within the film portray how a life where everyone was “perfect” yet the “same” would lead to a boring existence-


This film also relates to discrimination with the main point that Vincent is grounded because he is “in-valid”. Minorities today are denied opportunities on a daily basis simply for the way they exist. Our society claims that certain minorities are the root of crime and dysfunction, yet Gattaca highlights how those variables wouldn’t just go away in a perfect world. Our individual existence isn’t the problem- the structure of our society is.
coffee and pie
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 10

Gattica

The film gattaca follows Jerome - both the real and fake. This world is all based on people’s genes, which were literally hand picked by scientists and parents to create the most ideal baby. Now, social hierarchy has shifted to choice rather than chance: the choice of having no disability, not the chance. In the film, that is everything that matters - race is no issue. However, if eugenics becomes common and well practiced in todays world, there is a very real possibility that things other things will be changed. We all know the white man has the upper hand in the world. So why wouldn't you want your baby to have the upper hand? Choose a gene combo with the least “colored” features? Lets say you don’t want your child to face discrimination because of their sexuality - can you even control that? If people could, would they? Moving away from a parent’s gene, what about the genes of others? What legal rule with no fuzzy lines can prevent people from using the genes of 2 donors who can create the perfect baby? What if a system arises from this, where you are born into your job (literally the film). With all this choice there are still uncontrollable aspects, like accidents. Like Eugene, what if someone got into a bad accident? If we rely on the physicality of people to determine their jobs, what would we do for accidents? Additionally, it opens doors for discrimination based on physicality, even if the job has nothing to do with it. All they need is to know whether you are valid or invalid, no interview. Another aspect to question is love. There was what looked like a DNA testing facility that could give the entire sequence in 2 seconds. If we make this a widespread practice, will we be loving for status rather than person? will status be synonymous with person? Vincent and Irene gave each other DNA as an ask to be in a relationship, expecting the other will decide on that seauence. will individuals be reduced to their sequence and nothing else? This remind me of “scientific racism” - though it was incorrect it was racism on the basis of biological differences. With eugenics, will scientific racism become valid? they say race isn’t a question in the film, but is that the case in real life? Though I find it interesting there was only 1 black person in the film who only had 30 seconds of lines. As seen in the film, there is a lot of testing to ensure workers are in good shape - like cattle. They take blood to get into the building, and give pee on the regular. Is this an enjoyable world to live in?



The film Gattaca is less than what eugenics can become. It’s left out the questions of race, of breeding Think of all the selfish, immoral, corrupt people in power and in the world - is it safe to trust ourselves to handle Eugenics?

ilovefroyo
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 10

I believe that yes, there may be a slightly positive result for society if we were able to control the genes to create what we would consider good, however each person has their own perception of good. There may be a standard of good such as a lack of diseases, no type of physical ailments and such, however, some people may embrace things that others may not. A preference for blue eyes over brown or darker hair over lighter colors. I think that the movie showing how the genetic selection worked allow me to better craft my answer. People were working with doctors, scientists and all for a likely high cost. With this, less fortunate families will probably have a likelihood of not being able to afford this. I also noticed how majority of the cast was in fact white, which made me think of two things. One. Would having lighter skin color be seen as desirable even in this society? And two. Would this division between people of color and white people create an even harder society for people of color to suceed?


In one of the interview moments in the movie, the main character, Vincent, was shocked at the interview process in how quick it was. Simply giving them a sample. I feel like this paralleled with how job interviews are with people. It is easy to say that white people have a much easier time at getting a job over a person of color, from sterotype or systemic racism of the white person going to a better school or other examples as such. The parallel here is that just as a white person would have an easier time getting a job, a valid person would as well. I think that people would be healthier, stronger, and likely live longer lives, but thats just for the people who can afford these processes or even get into good areas where they have the opportunity.


As the majority of people have mentioned, I would rather live being genetically modified. Escaping hardships might just be the better choice, but that doesn’t mean I have to think like anyone else. If I were to assign a role to myself in the movie, I would most likely be a genetically modified person who is looked down upon for helping those as invalid, where the audience likes me but those in the movie don’t. I think that even the names “valid” or “invalid” also conveys a strong message. Based on things you can’t control, you’re seen as less than. In these types of society, if an invalid child learned that their parents had the opportunity to give them a life without hate or valid-ism (given that the parents had no financial issues and such), the child would ultimately resent their parents. I also wouldn’t go to the lengths Vincent did. I feel that knowing myself, if I were to be invalid, I wouldn’t go out of my way to ‘become’ valid. Given my thoughts on the lack of valid people of color, I would probably not stand a chance. I think that using another person’s identity would just cause a crisis. Mental health issues would skyrocket for those who used people like Jerome. He went to great lengths to be seen as perfect, as many people do now which causes my point to mental health. To conclude this answer, society would crumble. As I mentioned, yes there would be literal benefits for people seen as valid but the issues for everyone else would be severe. Death rates for invalids would rise (most likely) in countries with more valid than invalid people, and then eventually by seeing this information, more and more people would try their best to genetically modify their child. Countries with mainly invalid people would see those with mainly valid people and be envious which could cause issues for the invalids there as well as the country they envy.



purpledog11
Posts: 7

I think that if we were able to manipulate or give preference to certain genes I would say for the most part it could benefit society. To this, I think about how society greeves so often due to one’s death. If genes that point to hereditary diseases were eliminated within society, I think in this aspect this preference would be a benefit. This would help people become healthier and stronger, however, I believe this doesn’t have much correlation with fewer criminals or the capabilities to problem solve, as these two situations are affected by more factors than just genes.

If I was alive in this society, I would probably want to have my genes genetically modified. Although I think it’s super iffy to deal with genetic modification, I think of how much easier life would be if I was just the “perfect child”. “Faith babies” are discriminated against before they even remember their own life. Take Vincent’s birth for example. With the technology of this society, it was so easy to tell whether or not a child was going to be “fit” for their lifetime, for Vincent’s situation this was not the case. He experienced discrimination right away, knowing that he wasn’t going to be healthy enough, he couldn’t even earn the honor of being named after his father. In fact, it was Vincent’s brother, who was conceived via IVF among other methods and had perfect genes, who received this honor. I personally wouldn’t roll the dice in this situation, also because I know I don’t have the best 50/50 luck. I wouldn’t want to take the risks that Vincent took to through taking one’s identity in the fear of being caught. As I watched the movie for the first time, I became super anxious knowing that Vincent’s eyelash was found, and I knew if this was me, I wouldn’t fair well in this situation.

I think this film perfectly reveals the views that society once had, but still do, surrounding eugenics. How there’s the idea that only the fittest would be chosen is still prevalent. This film brings up some of the very situations in how our society still judges people. Although feeblemindedness is no longer a construct that I hear about a lot, in this society, we still judge people for not being able-bodied or for having cognitive impairments. For those who do experience discrimination, their experiences are everlasting, and it essentially requires them to put on a mask just to be able to fit into society. This is exactly like Vincent’s experience fitting in using Jerome’s identity.

harlin_miller
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 10

"Perfect People"

In theory I believe that it would have a positive impact on society, however in practice it would be detrimental. It would raise the stress of beauty standards and ultimately be the worst possible thing for society. Also it would be almost impossible to modify the entire world’s genetics. We have to think biologically about mutations and diversities in the human genome.


I would probably want to be a faith baby because being genetically superior kind of sounds boring. Also there is not really such thing as “genetically superior” due to personal taste. I would roll the die byt I wouldn’t really care about being invalid. I don’t think I would care enough to use someone else’s identity, but like vincent I wouldn’t go along with the idea of being lesser than. In this case I would be like him and reject the idea of society’s hatred for genetic disposition.


This movie definitely touches on the problems of discrimination in society. We as humans are meant to be presented as a certain image, and once you step out of that image you are caste to the side. It depicts the injustice that people face every day by feeling “genetically inferior”. The movie itself serves as a warning to society to reject societal norms of genetic superiority.


Vincent’s character showcased the lengths that the company was willing to go in order to keep their discriminatory demeanor towards “invalid” people. They broke the law in order to keep their own prejudice intact. This is seen in our culture as well with people of color, women, people in the LGBTQ+ community, and more. Eugenics was used to promote prejudicial norms in our society, and the negative effects of genetic bias.


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