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Take a look at this video: Charlottesville: Race and Terror (2017), a VICE video. (Run time: 22:04)

A warning (TW): this video contains offensive language, references to violence and hate speech, and may well be upsetting and hurtful to many viewers.

Charlottesville and the events there on a weekend in August 2017 were shocking to many who witnessed it both in person and via the many media outlets that covered the story.

In class, we will begin shortly to look at how so many societies, both historically and today, divide people into those who are identified as “us” and “them.” We do this in a whole variety of ways and the identification of an “us” and “them” is often changing and has a certain fluidity.

That said, what happened in Charlottesville took any notion of “us” and “them” well beyond a version 2.0 of the concept.

Reporter Elle Reeve (then of VICE News) covered the story and took us inside the thinking of some of the perpetrators of the violence in Charlottesville. To say the least, this clip (which I asked you to watch in connection with this post) is both eye-opening and terrifying.

Here’s what I’d like you to address in this post:

  • Why? Why was this happening? And what did it portend for the future? (Yes, 2017 was a few years ago now but as you might imagine, it’s easy to draw a line from Charlottesville to what happened on January 6, 2021 and the ongoing polarization in this country.
  • How would we describe the phenomenon that seems to be at work in Charlottesville? What’s motivating the different folks protesting there and why do they see the world as they do?
  • Do you think something like this—or worse than January 6, 2021—could happen again?

Just in case you were not in class on Monday/Tuesday, we watched nearly all of a documentary on what happened in Charlottesville, Virginia. The documentary was from PBS’ Frontline and was titled Documenting Hate, Charlottesville. Run time was 54 minutes.

Juicy Burger
West Roxbury, MA, US
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Post on Charlottesville

  • Why? Why was this happening? And what did it portend for the future? (Yes, 2017 was a few years ago now but as you might imagine, it’s easy to draw a line from Charlottesville to what happened on January 6, 2021 and the ongoing polarization in this country.)
  • How would we describe the phenomenon that seems to be at work in Charlottesville? What’s motivating the different folks protesting there and why do they see the world as they do?
  • Do you think something like this—or worse than January 6, 2021—could happen again?

1. This event happened because of a couple of reasons. First, Trumpism and Trump has largely emboldened far right nationalists and republicans by supporting their ideals and inspiring new waves of neo-Nazism and nationalism. Second, ideas from the "Great Replacement Theory" likely inspired people to think that their country was under attack and extreme action must be taken. Third, social media and misinformation likely increased polarization and the political divide in the country. This is really scary for the future; I don't really see this issue getting any better in the near future. It seems to me like that this will be some issue that we will continuously need to address.

I think what motivated protesting is what I had already touched upon. Especially, the fact that people thought they were under attack and threatened by other people definitely helped their aggression and violence. They probably know that violence in of itself is bad, but once they start justifying that violence, all types of horrors can happen. The white male that is interviewed clearly believes violence is okay and justifies this claim with the fact that people are dying and they want to create an ethno-state. This stems from the great replacement theory, racism, arguments on immigrants stealing jobs, etc. Also, once they have believed the state and media is against them, they also feel even more pressure to spread their ideology. Another important factor is that these people gathered nationally, and together, which likely made them feel stronger in numbers.

I definitely think something worse than January 6th can happen. Clearly, polarization is increasing. If anything, Jan. 6th simply provided an impetus for the alt-right to get even more inflamed and angry, leading to far worse events. I'm really not sure what we can do avoid to this polarization and conflict. Discussion, education, and moderation all seem viable but I'm unsure if it will do enough.

Boston, Massachusetts , US
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Response to the Charlottesville events

The notion of we versus they has been something that society has struggled with for a long time. Its become a very ugly thing that creates violence as we have seen. The internet has played a huge part in this I think. People who have the same mindsets are able to connect and tie others in. There´s also a lot of misinformation spread through the internet which is designed to anger people to keep them reading and watching. Another thing that happens is a lot of times when people are angry about the state of their lives, instead of facing the issues in their own lives, they turn to something they can put their energy into think they can control. I have noticed all of these people are incredibly angry and violent. It's rather sad actually that they feel this way and have so much hatred towards the world. It's no way to live. Along with this anger and how connected the world is, Trump played a role in this as well. He emboldened groups of people by winning and becoming president. Suddenly these racist groups felt they had a platform and someone supporting them. His controversial and often racist comments and policies assisted in polarizing the country and creating tension.

What happened in Charlottesville and on January 6th probably emboldened these groups which is a scary thought. I think things like this will absolutely happen again with all of the anger and controversy that is continuing now. It's hard to understand the anger and violence that these people feel which is why it is so shocking to watch this. I have to imagine that inside they are insecure, terrified and angry about their own lives.

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I think this was happening because of the rise of white supremacy in America. They were gathering in Charlottesville in fear of being replaced by other groups. These kinds of protests were fueled by Anti-Semitic views, racism, and homophobia and honestly I don't see a big change in society that signals this will end anytime soon. The event in Charlottesville was not the first, there were many other gatherings of Neo-Nazi groups and pro-Trump rallies. Many of the people seen at those events also participated in the Charlottesville protest. So, this was not a new phenomenon, it's something that has been building up for quite a long time.

The phenomenon that seems to be at work in Charlottesville seems to mainly be a mixture of fear and hate. They are afraid that other groups will grow bigger and bigger until they "overthrow" the white supremacists of some sort, which seems to have fueled all the violence at Charlottesville. I think what's motivating the people at Charlottesville are their beliefs, the belief that they are doing what is "right". What also motivates them was Trump's statement about blame on both sides; I think that just gave them justification for their actions.

I think something like this, or worse than Jan. 6, 2021, could easily happen. There was nothing done to stop it. The police just stood by and watched, even as people confronted them about it, they did nothing. If there is nothing done to stop it, if it is just dismissed, the cycle could repeat. The rising of white supremacy in America has not disappeared, and it's terrifying to think something like this could happen again.

Boston, MA, US
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"We" and "They"

White supremacists marched on a weekend in August 2017 in Charlottesville- evoking similar marches of Hitler and nationalist organizations of the past century. They wanted to be seen and heard by the nation, as a group of racist, hateful, violent people. The group, which was largely afraid of change, no more power, no more importance, was only one instance of nationalist groups attempting to ‘take back what’s theirs.’ And what’s worse? The police let them. They did not interfere with the tragedies that occured in Charlottesville- and on dozens of other occasions. The Charlottesville group, that followed in the footsteps of many others, furthered the idea that their actions were acceptable, that their country was under attack. They helped to set the precedent for future rallies- including the Januray 6th attack on the capital.

I hope that this issue doesn’t become larger in the future- but the possibilities for it are endless. With today’s technology the ability to find like-minded people, whomst you can share you beliefs with, has become incredibly easy. Trump’s election and presidency made this even easier, because it allowed people to know that there are other people who share their violent, hateful ideas. It’s even easier to organize event that doesn’t have public knowledge or audience until it is occurring. It’s hard to picture these events from the supporters or even attacker’s shoes. But deep down, I think we need to do a better job at being compassionate for each other and educating each other, and most importantly protect each other so monstrosities like those in Charlottesville and the January 6th coup don’t happen again.

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Charlottesville Dillema

I think that as people are getting more comfortable and seeing these different hate groups come out, they feel as if they can do the same. The fervor for what happened in Charlottesville is extremely alluring and seductive. It reveals that there is strength in numbers, and offers the idea that when there are groups of significant size and extreme beliefs, they will become corrupt and dangerous to those around them. The rise of Trump's political party is where this became especially pertinent. As extremists saw the rise of unlawful and criminal behavior, they saw that there were no repercussions, and could therefore participate in some of these unlawful and hateful acts.

There is now newfound confidence within these groups. It only takes one successful event to inspire more of these people to come out of their shadows. Although we may not see it around us, it is happening quickly and in an organized fashion.

Overall, in any case, people are going to fight for what they believe is right. If these people believe that they are fighting for their rights, they will do it. The only thing is how they fight.

Boston, MA, US
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Who is We vs. Who is They

We……They are very common words people use to distinguish themselves into different groups of like-minded people, or people with similar identities. It causes alienation and as one can see from the protests also causes horrific violence.

Why did this happen though, and why was it so public? White supremacy has always existed in the United States, the country was built on it. It was less publicized for a couple of years, so a lot of white nationalists kept their opinions to themselves and their small circles, but in the past 5-6 years it has become more apparent, and more dangerous. This is because of the people we elect into office: Donald Trump. When a country has a racist, loud, bigoted, hateful, white nationalist president, it brings out the same in its people, especially when that president refuses to hold them accountable for their actions and essentially justifies it by saying things like, “both sides are at fault….” and even goes on to fuel it by encouraging them to protest a fair election. White nationalists and Neo-nazis see a reflection of themselves in him and so they feel more comfortable expressing their views and conspiracies publicly.

Social media also plays a huge factor in this, when people can go on Twitter, Reddit, etc. and spread whatever false information, or bigoted hate speech they want without any oversight, or consequences, and other users read this and start to believe them. Many protests, riots, and Neo-nazi groups are also formed on social media. It is a very effective tool to use to spread hate, fear-mongering, and whatever else to the masses.

The actions in Charlottesville was one of many, it showed that white nationalists and neo-nazis are capable of committing crimes and receiving no consequences, they would even get support from the police... It fueled other protests and riots like the one on January 6, 2021, where a bunch of angry white trump supporters could invade the capitol building and attack the democracy. It also shows that there will be more actions like this, especially in the coming years like 2024 when re-elections happen.

I don’t think I will ever understand why Neo-nazis and White nationalists think the way they do, but there is this common fear of white people being “replaced” or going extinct or becoming the minority. They are so afraid that the things their great grandparents did to many people of color could happen to them too. It motivates them to “unite the right” and fight invisible enemies, it also causes them to harbor so much hate and fear in their hearts that they take it out violently on people of color.

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  1. It is pretty hard to fathom how an incident such as Charlottesville occurs. White supremacists are the most ignorant, and quite honestly frightening people that I'm aware of. These people’s only motivation is hate, they hate anyone that does not look like them. I can't even imagine what it takes for a person to gain that mindset but I would first blame their character, family, and education. This event happened because a bunch of white people felt unspecial, it's disgusting. Everything about that day is shocking but especially how the government/police handled the situation. This event portended for the future that these people and events such as these were only gonna grow. It was a true foreshadowing to what occurred on January 6th 2022, inappropriate response by the government and lives lost.
  2. The phenomenon of Charlottesville can be explained as two groups of people doing what they believe is “right”. Obviously one side is full of hate towards anyone that is not white and the other is fighting for human rights. I believe that violence fuels these people, they know that violence will get them attention and spread their message. I believe the other side’s motivation is fear, fear that their rights may get taken away. Protesters that are for removing the Robert Lee statue simply want all to be respected and receive basic human rights.
  3. I do believe that something like this or even January 6th could happen again. This is due to the fact that these people do not receive real consequences for their actions. The former president supported these terrorists and the government did nothing to prevent them from storming the capital. It is scary but true.
boston, massachusetts, US
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One of America's greatest issues (in my opinion) is how we divide ourselves among groups. There's so much undercover hate in our country, and it comes out during events like this. While watching the program, all I could think was "people who think and act like this walk around me every day, and I have no idea". In my opinion, that's terrifying. Charlottesville was an example of people with hateful ideologies coming together to scare others.

America has a long history with fear of the other, the unknown, and fear of change. Things like race, gender, sexuality, etc are all constructs created by us humans. With that, these ideas are constantly evolving as we do. The type of people who marched with hate in their hearts in Charlottesville are simply... afraid of this change. They see no problems with the world being built with white cis-gendered men on top because they benefit from this system. It is also important to acknowledge that people aren't born thinking this way-- they are taught to do so. I believe that we are products of our environment, and this kind of thinking starts with youth. People ask why representation matters so much (and that is a different can of worms) but it teaches us acceptance, tolerance, and a way of thinking that reminds us that deep down, we're all the same.

All in all, I believe this happened because these protesters wanted to make a statement: They're here, they're violent, and we should be afraid of what they have in store. At least, that's the message I gathered from the program. On the contrary, I actually think they delivered a message of ignorance. I even let out a few chuckles at the sheer stupidity of what some of these people were saying (to clarify: I was not laughing at the situation; I was laughing at the extremely ignorant claims being made because wtf). On a more serious note, it's frightening that this stupidity leads to hate crimes that result in injury and death. Innocent lives are lost simply because of the way they exist, and that will never be okay, nor fair. The end goal of these protesters was to insight fear, and I hate to say it but a part of me is scared by the fact that they will go to these lengths to "make a statement".

Events like this serve as a reminder: While humans have come very far while changing the way we think about race, gender, and sexuality (etc), we still have a very long way to go, both systemically and socially. The fight is not over, and I don't think it will be for a long, long time.

Boston, MA, US
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I think that the events of Charlottesville happened because of the failure to stop these extreme hate groups by the people who are supposed to be in charge, the ones who are supposed to protect us. There was a large failure to stop these groups from becoming larger/more popular. As noted by a former FBI agent, the FBI has seen a large rise in the popularity of these hate groups, a larger rise than ever seen before. The FBI knew of the dangers of these groups yet didn’t restrict these groups. As a result, hate was given a place to grow and become extremely public. There was also a large failure to stop the violence and hate that ended up happening as a result. For example, during the rallies, the police stood passively by and watched the hate groups ganging up on counter-protesters without intervention at any point. In addition, I think that there seems to be a large lack of consequences for the perpetrators of these rallies. By not prosecuting them or exposing them, it makes all of this seem more “acceptable” and it can encourage more hate. I think that since there were very little consequences, little resistance, and what were practically words of support from the former president, it allowed for January 6th to happen in the future.

The people protesting at Charlottesville were chanting “You will not replace us” and “White lives matter”. I think that they were motivated by fear and their ignorance. “You will not replace us” is something that definitely sounds like it stems from the fear of having their “power” be replaced by minority groups. Their hate also comes from ignorance. They believe certain ideas and don’t see any other side. They create these harmful ideas about other people and because of how easy it is to spread information, they are able to show other people these ideas and have more and more hold this same ignorance.

What happened in Charlottesville and January 6th could really happen again. Sadly, I don’t doubt that it would. In the video I think they said how there was a large rise in popularity of these hate groups and if this trend continues, it would increase the chances of this happening again. The lack of consequence also almost encourages events like these to happen again, as well as the actual encouragement from the former president. Unless something huge happens regarding these groups (which probably won’t for a long long time), I really believe that something like this has a high potential of happening again.

Boston, Massachusetts, US
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Who is the we" and who is the "they"?

This was happening for many reasons, but the main reason is simply just hate. This happened because a bunch of insecure weirdos with the same racist and immature beliefs decided to get together to taunt people and spread their silly little ideas. I think that the event that took place in Charlottesville was a new high for these white supremacists and their groups. The fact that police stood by while violent attacks were occuring and the president was too proud to condemn them, just gave fuel to the fire to allow these things to happen (and they did happen). America has seen a spike in white supremacist acts and events, from weekly mass shootings carried out by neo-nazis, to full-on riots at the capitol formed by trump supporters filled with rage. These events are becoming much too frequent.

As stated in more detail in the first paragraph, we can sumarize the phenomenon going on as people with the same ideas gathering into groups as a way to seem more intimidating and resiliant. They are all motivated by propaganda and fear. These people fear being replaced and they fear not having any power. They see the world as changing, and they dont like that. Things like social media groups and posts add to this fear, by spreading even more biased and hateful messages in hopes to get more people to "wake up".

I absolutely believe that something like this or something worse than January 6th could happen again. I really hope that nothing will happen again, but i think we all know that something will. Until the government actually condemns these people and holds them accountable for their actions, they wont stop. As these groups gain more followers and members, the hate only grows larger and larger. The fact that these people hardly face any consequences also simply just adds to encouraging more people to join the movements. We just have to hope that when these events happen they arent deadly, and the perpetrators face reprocussions...

Boston, MA, US
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"We" vs "They"

This event in Charlottesville and events like these happen, and will continue to happen because of the denial that most of the United States is still racist today. It set the precedent that this kind of behavior was okay, due to the lack of police action taken while people were getting brutally attacked and murdered in front of them. It allowed more things like shootings, and racially targeted massacres to happen.

The event in Charlottesville sparked a chain reaction which caused so many other white supremacist rallies. It especially did not help that these rallies were basically supported by former president trump and several other political figures. It is easier to see the world like "they" do because social media has made it so that they are surrounded by media that supports their own beliefs. The "algorithm" brings them back to posts and creators that do the same things they do, so it reinforces the ideology that the way that they think is correct.

I think that something like or worse than January 6, 2021 could absolutely happen because of the political divide that the country is at right now. There are so many extremists, and let's be honest there are so many in law enforcement that nothing is going to get done because they hold so much of the power now. It is completely valid to think that this is going to happen so many more times.

Boston, Massachusetts, US
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Why? Why was this happening? And what did it portend for the future?

  • The protest in Charlottesville foreshadows obvious increase of white supremacy. I feel that there are many factors into play here. As America becomes more diverse, there are people who will feel threatened due to that. White supremacy is becoming less hidden. The more present it becomes, there is always a chance that more people will join in. I believe that technology has made this extremely easy to find. Do a simple search on Google and you'll find plenty of sites that promote these kinds of ideas. It's not difficult to fall down into that rabbit hole, especially if you've already been exposed. There are also influential figures that are promoting, or at least not dismissing, the harmful beliefs. This would further encourage people to join in.

How would we describe the phenomenon that seems to be at work in Charlottesville? What's motivating different folks protesting there and why do they see the world as they do?

  • I think everyone is protesting out of fear. The white supremacists fear that their place in America will diminish, their privilege disappearing. The people who are not white supremacists fear that the protests will push America back from being diverse and accepting. I also believe that the white supremacists are also doing it out of hatred, some have more hatred than others. The hatred most likely stems from their friends and family.

Do you think something like this---or worse than January 6, 2021---could happen again?

  • I definitely think that something like this can happen again. Until there is something done, it is inevitable. Schools could start requiring courses like Facing History to teach people the truth instead of having people learn false information. People will always have different opinions, but at least their opinions will be based on actual facts.
Boston, MA, US
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Charlottesville Phenomenon

I feel as though a large part of why this happened was due to Trump. He was responsible for extending the definition of republicanism, thus pushing the extremists further right on the spectrum. As a result, they began to develop a sense of white-supremacy and neo-nazism. Despite that, he is not entirely to blame. These people have been shown participating in previous hate acts and to have been holding beliefs like these for a while. The rise of social media also plays a contributing role in this. It allows for hate groups (like R.A.M.) to efficiently communicate with one another and share their hatred onto others. Regarding the future, the Charlottesville event set a stone for more similar events to come. We saw first hand that law enforcement was reluctant to get involved in any action. They witnessed innocent people getting beaten and abused, but failed to do their job. Consequently, it suggests to the perpetrators that their actions may be deemed “acceptable”—leading them to commit similar crimes in the future because they got away with it in the past. In addition, it portrays the level of division people in our society face. We have drifted away from a peaceful nation—one we can all live in together—and towards a society of which people are consistently discriminated against.

The phenomenon at Charlottesville seemed to be as a result of both hate and fear, but also senses of pride. To begin, movements such as BLM had been gaining a wide following building up to this event. The perpetrators likely felt threatened by this—for they want to live in a world of superiority, not equality. They didn’t want to see the “groups” they hated the most receive the same respect and freedom and they do. As a result of this, they joined together to degrade others to fulfill their hateful and ill-valued soul. Seeing the success of this, they felt extreme levels of pride. For one, they got away with this—an act that could be seen as support for them. Additionally, it reinforced their desire of superiority over all other races and religions. Regarding the victims of this event, they were likely there to advocate for equality. They seek a world where people can live among each other equally and saw this idea in danger. Trying to defend the ideas of liberty and equality, they stood up against the perpetrators who were abusing their power.

I am afraid to admit that something like this will likely happen again. Our society has just become so divided recently and it's taking a turn for the worse. With identity being such a focal point of people, it is in turn becoming a sensitive topic for most. Because of this, anyone who doesn’t fit into the narrative of their identity, they are forced to go against. Aside from that, the perpetrators at the Charlottesville protest seemed to get away with a lot of crimes they definitely shouldn’t have. The significance of this is that people are more likely to repeat these offenses—or perhaps even worse—because they faced no consequences the first time.

Boston, MA, US
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Who is the "we" and who is the "they": Assignment Post

The book I'm going to be paraphrasing HEAVILY in this response: William Howe and Niel Strauss’s book “The 4th Turning”. I highly recommend it. Tremendous read. Let's begin:

This country, like the rest of humanity, is undergoing a predictable, yet definite, transformation. Through the book, one gets a better overview of the general state of distress in this country. ( also, by reading this book, I also anticipated that such calamities would occur). I believe that, by analyzing this book, we will gather a much broader view of the calamities that occurred within the past 5 years (including the Charlottesville protests), and one will also put these events into a much-needed context. A context which, I think, is crucial to understand this and many other calamities, and to resolve them: what, I think, is the most important action we as a society can take.

History repeats itself in saeculum, 80–90-year blocks of time (roughly the span of a human lifetime). Within these saeculi, we have 4 turnings of around 20 years each (often called ‘generations’). Saeculized turnings can be thought of as seasonal occurrences. Throughout our history, these saeculi have been remarkably similar to each other: The first turning is a high. An upbeat era. The second turning is an awakening, a passionate era. The third turning is an unraveling, the downcast era. The 4th turning is a crisis, an era of upheaval. We are currently in a 4th turning, and through analyzing what that era consists of as well as the broader picture surrounding it, we can start to put the events of Charlottesville, and the myriad of other calamities which occurred within the past 5 years, into further context. It should also be noted that by “our” and “we” I mean America: these are America’s saeculi and turnings after all. The history saeculum we are in the crisis of right now is as follows. Our high was the allied victory of WWII, during which we had the evenest distribution of wealth (one could work at a gas station and afford to buy a house). This era also begat the space race and our initial spark of space exploration. Our high ended with the assassination of John F Kennedy on November 22nd, 1963. The high was not a high for everyone: America had a segregated south and homosexuality was illegal. A high, therefore, can be thought of as a period of conformity. The period of non-conformity, and social justice, begins during the awakening: the passionate era. During this awakening, we had MLK and the civil rights movement, the Vietnam war and its protests, the women’s liberation movement, stonewall and the gay rights activism movements. A cultural boom occurs during this turning. This was also when the first Macintosh computer came out. The awakening is a time of increasing individualism. This second turning -- the awakening -- ended with the re-election of Ronald Reagan in 1984. Things get troubling during the third turning -- the unraveling. The fall of Soviet communism, thus beginning the Russian gangster state. The musicians of this time sang about violence and decay and deteriorating cities. The LA riots, the Bosnian bombings and the Colombine high school shootings. 9/11, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Our unraveling ended with the financial crisis of 2008. This book was written during the last 3rd turning (published in 1997), but the book predicts what’s happening NOW, in the 4th turning we are in. What’s happening now is seemingly right on schedule. Our 4th turning: a crisis. (2008 - now). The crisis-era is an era in which the availability of social order is low, but the demand for order is high. A fourth turning is an era where America’s institutional life is torn down and rebuilt from the ground up, almost always in response to a perceived threat to the nation’s very survival (Sound familiar? COVID19, the war in Ukraine, incredibly polarized American politics?) During this era, Civic authority revives, cultural expression finally grips the community, and the people start to find purpose and begin to discover themselves as members of a larger group. Fourth Turnings eventually become new “founding moments” in America’s history, incredibly altering the national identity, usually for the better. In our last 4th turning, we had a great depression, then WWII. 80 years before that, the civil war. 80 years before that, the revolutionary war. We are right in the middle of our crisis. We are in the process of changing our world yet again. The authors of the book compare 4th turnings to forest fires: unpleasant, but necessary: they clear the woods for new growth. As we work towards our next high, this crisis will tilt the playing field away from the old and towards the young (so they predict). The victory is not guaranteed. We will need to rise to the occasion during this crisis. We will need to fortify and develop our defining virtues as we pursue a better future.

Our western society was built to foster the potential of each individual within it. The aggregate effort of individuals keeps it going.

This broad contextualization, whilst seemingly accurate, doesn’t quite satisfy the more precise question of “what is motivating the protesters at Charlottesville”. The main motivation of what I believe is causing them to cause civil unrest can be most likely chalked up to fear. In this turning, once marginalized and despised racial minorities are now getting more headway than ever, appearing in commercials, movies, and media in more positive lights, rather than being used as comic relief or as laughing stocks. This, in turn, most likely scares them (them = white supremacists). It scares them as they realize their once prevalent, barbaric ideologies are slowly fading away; their “identity” is slowly being obliterated by the masses. They’re outnumbered. This, in turn, most likely causes them to seek more drastic measures before they eventually fizzle out.

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