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Camm230
South Boston, MA, US
Posts: 8

Who is "we" and who is the "they"?

Unfortunately I don't think this is a "now" problem and if we look at history and how long it's been from certain events, these events were never "fixed" they were never resolved to a point that we can say they're happening again as if they weren't happening for a while. If we look at a time line we see how close these events are to "modern time". The last confederate soldier died in 1951, and the last union soldier died in 1956 which is in living memory, those people lived through a time where slavery was legal. Looking at the Nazi group there are definetly people who are alive from WWII, there are American soldiers who are still alive, there are Holocaust survivors who are still alive, so there are definatley Nazi solidiers who are still alive. What is different about the "now" is that the media makes it so easy to find people who align with one's political beliefs no matter how extreme they are. It is easy to find people nation or even worldwide who have similar beliefs and once you surround yourself with people with some extreme beliefs, they build off each other until it becomes something almost impossible to contain. We saw in the PBS documentary that he was flying all over the country to try and interview people about the clips for Charlottesville, and when he was attempting to interview the leader he was in another country organizing there. Now this is coming more mainstream news, I think that's why it can be considered to be happening "now", but unfortunately this is a problem that hasn't been resolved and probably won't for a while.

What we see in Charlottesville is a mob mentality, people with outrageous views are surrounded by people with more outrageous views, and they continue to build off each other. And with the political environment at the time, there weren't any repercussions for the situation. Due to the fact that this group has been building online, there were enough people from around the country to come and riot in Charlottesville. What is motivating them is a variety of factors, there is the mob mentality taking place, the idea that people with extreme views can connect to each other all over the country/world, and they are fueled by hate violence and the idea of change that doesn't absolutely benefit them.

Something that makes me beyond frustrated, is what they say they stand for so it doesn't come off as total blatant racism, they'll say some bullshit (pardon my french) that they stand for America and it's ideals, BUT they'll carry the confederate flag or bear the nazi eblem, two symbols that are so against america and it's "ideals". So many Americans died in order to get both of those to end, the Civil War was the bloodiest war on American soil so many american troops died to stop the confederate flag from being flown. So many American fought and died in WWII in order to put an end to Hitlers reign. Yet these people (and I use the word people with hesitance) show these symbols and claim to be for America or in support of America. Also what is ironic and so infuriating is that ALL of them are white, not one is native American and they will make claims against immigrants, or be against/ look down on those who immigrate to the U.S. As though their family didn't immigrate there, hate to break it to them but my assumption is that most of their ancestors came from Europe and they didn't get into America legally then, they were escaping famine, political dangers, and seeking new opportunities, and during the european migration Elise island was just open for business (not to say people didn't suffer, or get turned around or being an immigrant at this time wasn't hard because it definitely was, I'm saying that becoming a citizen has gotten so much harder and takes a lot longer that there's no possible way all those people are here "legally"). So people who are members of neo nazi groups, will say or advertise that they are for America and it's "values" yet, do the exact opposite (quite literally the opposite), which proves nothing motivates them more than pure racism and the fear of a society where cis white males are the leaders.

They'll bubble themselves off into a group and not stray from that group's ideas, because they are only surrounded by people who share their beliefs, they won't even consider another person who isn't exactly like them which is so dangerous as we can see throughout the documentary.

pinkskittles
boston , Massachusetts, US
Posts: 10

Who is the "we" and who is the "they" ?: Ruminating on the disquieting messages of Charlottesville

I think this is happening solely because of the election and more specifically Donald Trump. He is a big leader when it comes to anti-semitism and he encourages behavior like this to happen. Neo-Nazis are also players in this, they are for this type of behavior and hate crimes and they pass it on to other people. This shows us kind of a look into the future, when we are talking about this happening in 2016, it showed them what was in store for them and what is to come. This also gave a heads up to other leaders to make sure this doesn’t happen under them, and they need to realize things like this can get out of hand and can escalate a lot faster than you may think.

A few words that you can use to describe what happened in Charlottesville are hate and racism. It was led by white people, people who stick up for racism, neo-nazis, and to sum it all up… hateful people. The way these people acted when they were so called “protesting” looked a lot more like a nasty hateful riot. They were damaging property and people were being physically hurt. They are so for “confederacy” and America but there is a great amount of irony with that because they are in fact the people who are making american hateful and racist.

This phenomenon is connected to what we were learning in class because we learned about how people will create personal biases and stereotypes of certain groups of people. Here we see white people, antagonizing and creating their own stereotypes of black people and they were hateful about it. Also, with the whole “bubbling” idea, the white supremacists probably categorize themselves as a separate group from everyone else. They have this superior complex and they think because they are white and “true americans” that they aren’t like other people who might be of color. Also, in the video it really brought out and emphasized the whole idea on “sides” of race, which is related to bubbling in a certain race for yourself. In this video, they literally categorize themselves as one group and everyone else another, based mostly on race.

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