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Facinghistorystudent
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 18

Uncategorized Genocide

Genocide as defined as, “the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.” After looking through many of the documents, looking at many images, and looking at the sources, there is not a doubt in my mind that the events that happened in Armenia are classified as a genocide.


These killings were planned and systematically done and in no way we're just an act of War. people committing these crimes had full intentions of eliminating a group of people simile for their ideologies. The thing that has come as the biggest shock to me is that 1.5 million people died and it is not something that is that well-known. This isn't something that is largely talked about in history and many students are not as fortunate as we are to learn about this because it is often not in basic curriculum.


The Turkish government has not taken any responsibility or acknowledgement over this and that is one of the most unsettling things about this to me. when that many lives are taken no matter the situation someone is responsible. I believe that other nations should also step in and address that this is a genocide and not let it remain uncategorised.

sanandomun
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 14

Acknowledging history

After taking a look at these resources, I believe that the word "genocide" perfectly fits what happened to the Armenian people, and that thinking of these events as anything else disrespects the Armenian lives affected. The fact that there are some who are still unwilling to accept that this was a genocide is concerning: anyone who does not acknowledge history is likely to repeat it. The death count is so massive that one would think there would be a massive movement to reverse the effects of the genocide. However, in reality, it has been essentially ignored for years, and its victims have yet to receive justice. Horrors such as this must be discussed truthfully and prominently. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence showing that the purpose of the events of the Armenian genocide was indeed to wipe out a specific population; the genocide is unquestionably real, unfortunate history that must be addressed.
crunchysnowball
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 25

Accountability Long Overdue

After looking at all of the hard evidence we have that it was a genocide that was inflicted on the Armenian people, I find it hard to believe that there is still denial. To say that millions of people perished at the hands of the Turkish government is not to be lightly taken, lots of evidence is required. It is not like we are lacking in this department; we have photo evidence, first hand witness accounts, sourced reports, and archives in multiple countries.

From what I can see, it is hard to falsify the hard evidence. From the photographs of the deceased to the reports of ambassadors and the timeline of events, all signs point to genocide. Turkey tends to bring up the argument of whether or not it was a genocide because of “intent” factor. Were the death marches just merely deportations? If they claim they had no intent of killing Armenians, did they think that the march was a doable task? Would they too survive with little food, water, and rest? It seems that Turkey is condemning the Armenians for not being able to stay alive. Another argument it presents is that there were two sides to the war, Turkish people died too at the hands of the Armenians. But my question is to what extent? If the numbers were nearly as high as the death toll of Armenians, why must it be a competition. Did the deaths of thousands of innocent Armenians become justified because of the actions of a few “Armenian traitors” in the Russian Army? What is stopping us from calling the Armenian Genocide a genocide based off the fact that we call the Holocaust, the Jewish genocide? The events were almost identical. A power figure or figures rises in ranks (Hitler and the Young Turks), appeals to the public with nationalism, and then others and an entire group of people. Both groups told their victims that they would return after sending them away on trains, both groups ended up massacring hundreds of thousands. If we call what happened to the Jews a genocide and not what happened to the Armenians as such, are we saying that what the Turkish government did was an accident? They didn’t mean for that many deaths to occur?

Real history is hard to define. Obviously, there will always be holes in the tales of history, but when there is enough to point to a conclusion, we can’t just ignore it, waiting for something to be discovered that would negate what was done. When multiple countries, like the US and Britain, have these accounts, it shows that the same story exists from different perspectives. How can you argue against that? In response to the Turkish government and their position and response to this event: I want to know how they can evade evidence so effortlessly. What is so bad about acknowledging their past? If they preach that they care about their citizens and democracy, shouldn’t that be for all, not just some? What do they say about the photographs of dying or dead Armenians? How can they deny that? How can they live on knowing that so many Armenians died and call it all propaganda?

I most certainly think that it is the duty of other countries to put their foot down on this. It is sickening to think that we pick and choose which people to stand up for and which to turn a blind eye. I am not sure if this is optimistic to think, but why must we operate in every aspect of our life with the pressures of politics. The US was afraid to say anything that would point to what happened in Turkey as a genocide, for fear that relations would be tainted, for fear that we would lose a big part of our oil industry. We decided to ignore the deaths of millions, for the security of our economy? It is not to say that we should not consider the importance of the economy in our country, but at whose expense? The Armenian people are not even allowed the right to grieve their losses. They cannot express their sorrows or story without being met by backlash and violent attacks. We see this when people try to write books or publish papers about the Armenian genocide, archives burned down and prisons being filled. Countries of influence should use that influence not only for their own gains, but to aid others. Pressure is the only way. The Turkish government is so concerned with their image of westernization and democracy, so if we can have enough backlash against them, it would have to make them feel like their image was tainted and would push them to at least allow recognition of the event.

butterfly123
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 24

Hold Turkey Accountable

After looking at the resources, I find it even more shocking that people still deny the existence of the Armenian genocide. It is very clear that a genocide took place. A million Armenians were killed because they were Armenian; a race based extermination by the Ottomans happened, and the Turkish government still denies it. Looking at the photos was especially jarring. Turkey claims that the Armenians were a military threat and a mere casualty of wartime, but what threat did the children pose? They were clearly starving and dying with no one to help them. The evidence of the Armenian genocide is overwhelming-- witnesses, photos, and government documents paint a clear picture of what happened.

I believe that it is true that the Ottoman Empire killed and deported 1.5 million Armenians, and that it is true that this can be classified as genocide. There is a large amount of evidence that shows that the Armenians were marched through the desert to their deaths with a clear and intended purpose of massacre. Whether through starvation or planned attacks on Armenian convoys, the intent is clear. Although the Turkish government still denies it, all of this can be qualified as “real history.” While it is true that sometimes the lines of history and myth are blurred, in this case there is a clear distinction between what really happened and what the Turkish government claims happened. Real history can be determined by whether there is sufficient evidence for the event. In this case, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that proves a genocide took place.

It is appaling that Turkey will not admit to the genocide. I understand that they don’t want the name of their country defamed and they don’t want to believe that their people committed genocide, but they did. Turkey has to recognize what happened and deal with the consequences that they should have been dealing with for the past 106 years. They owe it to the families of the Armenians whom they slaughtered; they deserve recognition of the hardships they went through. It is inexcusable for Turkey to continue not to admit to the genocide, and then to raise their children to believe it didn’t happen. I think that other countries have a responsibility to hold Turkey accountable as well. The US government and other world governments should at least acknowledge that a genocide happened publicly. The Armenians deserve someone to recognize what happened, Turkey needs to know that they did not get away with it, and the world needs to understand that you cannot commit genocide and not face consequences.

soleilmagic
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 21

Time to Admit

I am still shocked by the Armenian genocide, not only that it happened but that the Turkish government still refuses to acknowledge it even with all the evidence against them. I honestly can’t find anything that seems “untrue”, I watched many of the eyewitness testimonies and looked at tens of photos, all terribly saddening and horrifying. I don’t understand how generations after this genocide occurred the Turks still say it is fake news, that seems like a joke to me, obviously they know its not, or they have extremely brainwashed to think that it actually never occurred. I would like for them to sit down and watch these testimonies and look at this pictures and give me a valid response on what they are depicting.

In one of the eyewitness testimonies a woman said that she was given a loaf of bread a day to share with who knows how many people, and because of this her younger brother died from starvation right before her eyes, they also got their water by waiting for it to fall of the roof for them to drink it. This was definitely a genocide, that is how it should be refferred too, all the evidence proves this. Some 1.5 million people were massacred during the time this occurred, when the Turkish government deported the Armenians promising most would return but in truth, most died. I think it’s insane that the Turkish Embassy wrote that, “No serious scholar could or would ever draw a comparison with the Holocaust.” because that is just so incorrect.

I think it is time to acknowledge it, the Turkish government needs to give up the innocent act and admit to the atrocities that their country had done in the past. Give these Armenian families justice for their grandparents. Other nations should hold Turkey accountable, when i look up something as simple as “how many people died in the Armenian genocide?” I don't get a direct answer like I would if I looked that up in regards of the Holocaust, I have to dig for my answer. This genocide should be more widely known and should be taught in a part of our history curriculum. It’s time to admit it.


rhiannon04
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 24

Accountability

After viewing the given images, eyewitness accounts and other various sources, there is no reason for me to even believe for a second that the Armenian Genocide never occured. The photos especially should be enough evidence of the horrible things that Armenian people were subjected to. Some photos that resonated with me the most were the “Killed in short time,” “Tortured Priest,” and “Kharbert.” The “Killed in short time,” was extremely upsetting to view because its a photo taken right before these people were brutally murdered. “Tortured Priest,” was a very disturbing photo view due to the grotesqueness of it. Finally, “Kharbert,” was another unsettling photo to me because it showed how viscous the Turks were and that children weren’t spared from their cruelty.


Like I previously stated, after viewing these horrific images and other sources, there is no doubt in my mind that the Armenian genocide happened. Despite claims from Turkey, there is nothing that I believe to be untrue about this genocide.


The response from the Turkish Embassy is baffling to me. For the government to not deny the death of the Armenians, but then take zero blame for it is extremely disturbing and saddening. The response acknowledged that many innocent Armenians did die, but it was their fault and that the government only tried to help them, which is obviously completely backwards. They tried to spin the deportations as an attempt to help the Armenians seek refuge which is incredibly disgusting. I think accountability is far over due, but definitely won’t be coming in the near future. I believe that world governments, especially the US should pressure the Turkish government into taking credibility for what they did to the Armenians.

mcsd153
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 26


There is no doubt in my mind that genocide occurred, and 1.4 million Armenians were massacred. I think it is shameful there are even debates on the subject and denial from the Turkish government this ever happened. As defined by the Oxford dictionary, genocide is “the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group”. It is undeniable that the Turks of the Ottoman Empire attempted to “cleanse” their empire of Christians (Armenians and some Greeks) due to suspicion of disloyalty (to Russia or other Christian governments) utilizing deportation and massacre. I cannot seem to find any sense in why the Turks thought this was a reasonable thing to do. The Young Turks did this simply because of insecurity within their empire, and for some reason thought murdering over a million innocent people was the way to fortify their power. I also think broskiii made an amazing point; it is disrespectful and insulting to the millions of people who lost their lives (and their families) to name them “victims of war”. As broskiii said, “They should be remembered as the victims who suffered under their merciless leader.” The Armenians were not given the opportunity to fight. Their homes were raided, towns burned, women and children raped. Each person murdered in this genocide had a life, a family, hopes and dreams that kept them going. This was an immense tragedy and should be regarded as such.


With thousands of accounts of these terrors, and many photographs of starved, killed, and beaten Armenian peoples, I cannot find any reason to assume that the genocide did not happen. For example, survivor Sam Kadorian, who was thrown onto the ground, had tens of other young boys piled on top of him and had to witness them be slain. He was drenched in not only his blood, after being hit by a bayonet, but with the blood of the other children who were killed right on top of him. Another survivor named Noyemzar Alexanian, who lived a terror-filled life, watched her father be taken by Turks to be killed. I can tell this is the truth because there are thousands of other accounts just like these. There are maps of the exact routes Armenians were deported through. There are even archives from the Allied governments stating “... the Kurd and Turkish population of Armenia has been massacring Armenians with the connivance and often assistance of Ottoman authorities” (1915). This is the real history. The only untruths I can highlight are those of the Turkish government claiming no such thing happened.


The current Turkish government is trying to conceal these truths, and rewrite its own version of the “real” history. They claim “there was no intent to destroy the Ottoman Armenians.” They also claim that there are no parallels to be drawn between the Holocaust and the events in the Ottoman Empire. If there were no comparison between the two, Hitler would not have said “Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?”. There is an obvious reason to believe there is not only a parallel between the two events but direct linkage. My response to the Turkish government would be to present them with all the evidence I have seen. Photographs, videos, and first-hand testimonies of this genocide are undeniable and hold far more value than the word of the government. That is how I was able to know this was all true, and I am sure at least someone in the Turkish government would have to see it too. I would also tell them that although it may be hard to admit their wrongs, they can finally work towards reconciliation and reparations. While there is no way to make up for the 1.4 million lives lost and countless lives ruined, it is a big step towards showing responsibility and even instilling peace between Armenia and Turkey.


I do believe it is important for the American government to respond to these events, as they played a major role in the genocide as well. Even though they were not the ones burning down villages and killing innocent people, they ignored cries for help and valued their neutrality over saving millions of lives. Here is an account from the US archives detailing as such: “Deportation of and excesses against peaceful Armenians is increasing … it appears that a campaign of race extermination is in progress… I believe nothing short of actual force which obviously the United States are not in a position to exert would adequately meet the situation” (Henry Morgenthau 1915). Neither Obama nor Trump addressed the events in Turkey as they should have. Trump refused to label it a genocide, and Obama’s administration issued a mere “sorry”. This was all to maintain the United States' good relationship with Turkey. I hope Biden does something about this, as it is important for the light to be brought to the subject. Educating America on the genocide of Armenians will not only show support to the large Armenian American population but also ensure history does not repeat itself. I also believe other governments such as Britain should address the genocide and label it as such. It is very important to recognize the role we or other countries play(ed) in this event, because it is the only way we can move forward and do better as a nation/world.

beantown9
WEST ROXBURY, MA, US
Posts: 23

The Armenian Genocide

After looking at all these sources, I can see that the Armenian Genocide is a very horrific event, but is often forgotten about or denied. After looking at the pictures, letters, and other sources I can clearly see that the Armenian Genocide did in fact happen. I found it shocking and a little disturbing that the Turkish government actually denied and continues to deny the fact that this Genocide occurred. It doesn't take a lot to see that the Armenian Genocide actually happened and there's plenty of evidence to support this, such as Documents, letters, pictures, maps, videos, and even the testimonies of witnesses. I think the Armenians deserve more justice and more recognition from the Turkish government. What happened in the Armenian Genocide was wrong and needs to be recognized more.

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