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lavagirl
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 2

"Don't Ever Use the Word 'Smart' with Me"

The way that both Trump and Biden acted made me really angry. It didn’t even seem like a debate. Instead, I felt like I was watching the five-year-olds I babysit arguing over what time they’re gonna tell me their bedtime is. And these are our options for who is going to run our country for the next four years.. A racist, narcissistic, predator with unresolved childhood trauma that he takes out on an entire country or a predator that probably has dementia.

The way they both kept talking over each other and throwing petty insults. It’s sickening; these are the two people we have to choose between to run our country and they couldn’t even let the other person speak. I also found it really disgusting how Trump brought up Biden’s sons. No matter what, a person’s trauma is not there for you to exploit. Also, Biden saying, “shut up, man” and calling Trump a “clown” was very unprofessional, even if it did make me laugh. Another thing was that Trump kept calling Wallace by his first name which, although it wasn’t the worst thing that happened that night even by a long shot, it really did show how little respect he has for others.

One of the things that stood out to me was the fact that neither Trump nor Biden ever said the words “black lives matter”. The questions about race turned into an argument about law enforcement instead of them talking about the actual lives of black people who are dying. Not to mention Trump refusing to condemn white supremacy. As horrible as that is, though, it did not come as a surprise to me, which is extremely sad. But, if he did that, he would’ve probably lost the majority of his base. He doesn’t care about the lives that are being lost, all he cares about is himself.

After this debate, one thing that I cannot wrap my head around is the fact that there are so many people who are either undecided or have decided to not vote at all because of the whole “leftist purity” mindset. Yes, Biden is not the best option but he is all we have at this point. I don’t agree with him on a lot of points but at least he’s not a narcissist, right?


ThankYouFive
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 13

A Disgrace to All American People

The pain that I experienced watching the first presidential debate was no doubt the same exact pain that many other Americans, regardless of political affiliation, were feeling. It seems that this was one of the very few times that the American people have collectively shared the same opinion about something in recent years, that something being how terrible the debate was. I personally despised how the debate very quickly turned from responses to the questions into endless volleys of insults, interruptions, and lies. My least favorite part was certainly when Trump began criticizing Biden’s son, Hunter, who had previously struggled with drug addiction. It is one thing to personally attack your political opponent, but to attack their family members in such a way is absolutely terrible. I agree with 239bid0073 that “when dealing with politics and a whole nation nothing can be personal.” Trump should have never said anything about Biden’s family. Also, it was while Biden was talking about his other son, Beau, who died in 2015 from brain cancer and had previously fought in the Iraq War. This made Trump’s comments worse, because he often claims to love the troops, and one of his main platforms is that he supposedly loves the military and veterans, despite calling fallen soldiers “losers” and “suckers.”

I absolutely agree with Bumblebee that one of the reasons why the debate was so chaotic was the failure of the moderator, Chris Wallace, to control both of the candidates and stop them from interrupting each other constantly or steering the conversation away from the intended topics of the debate. I personally thought he did a reasonably good job of remaining unbiased, but his inability to effectively moderate certainly made the debate far worse, and for this reason I agree that “someone else should’ve been selected to moderate.”

I was able to learn a tiny amount about Biden’s plan to fight climate change, but Biden was constantly being interrupted by Trump, making it very difficult to actually hear any of Biden’s points. As for Trump, I didn’t learn anything that I hadn’t already known prior to the debate. This was what I was expecting, as I genuinely believe that Trump has no real plan for anything he would do if he were to be reelected. I think Trump is only focusing on winning the election, and if he does, he will do exactly what he did for the last four years, which was very little.

I didn’t learn anything new about Trump’s character, because he has always acted like this in debates, but I learned a little more about Biden, like how he continues to push back against Trump despite Trump being such a constant bully. However, I think both candidates were far from their best selves at the debate, and both frequently interrupted the other person, although Trump is far more guilty of this than Biden.

I don’t think the debate will motivate unsure voters to choose one candidate over the other, but it will probably discourage some people from voting, as they might think that it is a waste of time. If this does happen, it could benefit Trump, as lower voter turnout would make it easier for Trump to win. As for what will happen after the election, I hope that the American people will take a careful look about how our debates are formatted, and how we should edit the format and rules in order to prevent situations like this one in the future.

ThankYouFive
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 13

Originally posted by lavagirl on October 01, 2020 21:44

The way that both Trump and Biden acted made me really angry. It didn’t even seem like a debate. Instead, I felt like I was watching the five-year-olds I babysit arguing over what time they’re gonna tell me their bedtime is. And these are our options for who is going to run our country for the next four years.. A racist, narcissistic, predator with unresolved childhood trauma that he takes out on an entire country or a predator that probably has dementia.

The way they both kept talking over each other and throwing petty insults. It’s sickening; these are the two people we have to choose between to run our country and they couldn’t even let the other person speak. I also found it really disgusting how Trump brought up Biden’s sons. No matter what, a person’s trauma is not there for you to exploit. Also, Biden saying, “shut up, man” and calling Trump a “clown” was very unprofessional, even if it did make me laugh. Another thing was that Trump kept calling Wallace by his first name which, although it wasn’t the worst thing that happened that night even by a long shot, it really did show how little respect he has for others.

One of the things that stood out to me was the fact that neither Trump nor Biden ever said the words “black lives matter”. The questions about race turned into an argument about law enforcement instead of them talking about the actual lives of black people who are dying. Not to mention Trump refusing to condemn white supremacy. As horrible as that is, though, it did not come as a surprise to me, which is extremely sad. But, if he did that, he would’ve probably lost the majority of his base. He doesn’t care about the lives that are being lost, all he cares about is himself.

After this debate, one thing that I cannot wrap my head around is the fact that there are so many people who are either undecided or have decided to not vote at all because of the whole “leftist purity” mindset. Yes, Biden is not the best option but he is all we have at this point. I don’t agree with him on a lot of points but at least he’s not a narcissist, right?


I completely agree, and I think it is truly terrible that conversations about race in this nation are so often twisted into discussions about law and order. To even take the conversation there in the first place demonstrates how many politicians, whether aware of it or not, view other races as problematic. I think that Trump's weak response to white supremacy reveals his true character, just like when he said there were good people on both sides at the Charlottesville protests in 2017. It's a shame that people continue to support Trump and the horrific things that he says.

rhiannon04
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 9

Character is Relevant to Leadership

I thought the question, "is character relevant to leadership," was an important one. I would answer this by saying most definitely, but with exceptions. Character is the way one presents themselves, the way they act, the way they act behind the scenes, etc. If a person's character is flawed, they would no doubt make a poor leader. This leads me to our current president, Donald Trump. In my eyes, he has a horrible character. He is deceitful, hateful, untrustworthy and overall a vile human being. He has presented these qualities upfront as well as in private. So ultimately, he makes a bad leader. These characteristics could be applied to Trump at any point in his life, but they became apparently clear in the 2016 presidential race. He presented himself poorly then yet that didn't matter to voters. Well saying majority of voters didn’t care about character wouldn’t be true as Hilary Clinton won the popular vote, but clearly for a large majority, character was not relevant in their voting decision. In my opinion, it should have been as Trumps has utterly failed as the President of the United States. His character was once again brought into question during this week’s debate. Not only was he completely disrespectful to Joe Biden and the moderator, but he said or rather didn’t say some extremely harmful things. For one, he made fun of Biden’s son Hunter and mocked his addiction. That was just a whole other low. In a presidential debate, there was no need to bring up a traumatic event that occurred in Biden’s family. Addiction isn’t something to mock in any situation and it was utterly shameful that Trump would stoop so low. When given the opportunity to condemn white supremacists, Trump did not. Not condemning white supremacy speaks a lot to one’s character. Why would one not denounce white supremacy unless they were a white supremacist themself? All of this isn’t to say that Joe Biden isn’t a great person because he is far from it. Whether it’s his horribly racist past or his assault allegations, Biden’s character should obviously be questioned. But in regards to the behavior during the debate, Biden was respectful and besides his clown comment, Biden kept his cool for the most part and followed the rules of the debate, while President Trump did not. All of this was ultimately to say that both candidates aren’t great people, but at least Biden knows how to show an ounce of respect. All in all, both Trump and Biden aren’t great people, but in comparison to each other, Biden is a more respectful and dignified man which makes him better suited for the job. With this said, I still don’t think Biden is a good person which is why if I was of voting age, I would vote by policy rather than by character, but I think still think character largely shows how Biden would run this country as it showed us how Trump runs it.

beantown9
WEST ROXBURY, MA, US
Posts: 7

A mess

On Tuesday the date happened between Donald trump and Joe Biden. I thought that it didn’t feel like a real debate to me because of how often they interrupted each other. I think the way they interrupted each other almost every time the other talked, was unnecessary and foolish. I think it was also irrelevant to the question and topic, and complete unnecessary for Trump to bring up Biden’s family. Specifically Trump brought up Biden’s son Hunter, which i think Trump should not have gone there (to his family) in the first place. I felt like i was watching two little kids fight and argue over and over again with them calling each other names and constantly insulting each other. I think a lot of people went or remain undecided after watching this debate. Some moments that stood out to me were when Biden said "will you shut up, man" and when Trump said "Don't ever use the word smart with me again". I think this debate will effect the election because i think a lot of people are gonna be undecided or unsure about who to vote for. I think this debate also will lower people's expectations and views of the two.

ThankYouFive
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 13

Originally posted by broskiii on October 01, 2020 02:35

I just want to start by saying that this is the first time that I have ever seen a presidential debate in my entire life and I am very disappointed. If it wasn’t for this facing history class, I don’t think that I would have ever sat down and watched two grown men, supposedly the leaders of our country, argue over who is the better candidate to lead America. At first, I was not impressed by the way that Trump was talking to the moderator and I remember that he said that he was no longer debating with Biden but was debating with the moderator because Chris Wallace told him to let Biden have his 2 minutes of speaking time. It was at that moment that I began to get a little upset over this debate. Another moment that also stood out to me was when Chris Wallace asked both parties what their thoughts on COVID in the US are and Trump just said that he was doing everything correctly and that he would put on a mask only if he needs to. He just admitted that the whole point of putting on a mask was for the sake of not being yelled at by others rather than actually caring about the people in his surroundings and not spreading germs. He mentions that Biden would wear a mask even he was 200 feet away and I agree 100% that you should wear a mask whenever you go outside because you never know who might be around you. Another moment that stood out to me was when Trump was asked about his thoughts on white supremacy and what he plans to do with his supporters. Wallace asked him what his thoughts were on race and white supremacy. Trump refused to denounce white supremacists and in my opinion, that means that he is okay with the idea that white supremacy still exists in America. He obviously doesn’t care about the lives of minorities when he decided to say that he will not calm his supporters down if he is reelected. Especially, in 2020, minorities were the face of hate crimes and through Trump saying that he will not calm his supporters down, that just proves to me that he has no intention of solving these hate crimes and has no intention of caring about the people of color.

I believe that character plays a big role in becoming a president and wanting others to vote for you because how you present yourself is what others see you as and this leads to others making opinions based on what they see. So, in this case, I would say that Trump has left an even worse impression on me while Biden has left a less than an optimal impression but still a lot better than Trump. I thought that when Biden called Trump a “clown” and told him to “shut up,” it was very unprofessional, but it was also very necessary at the time because it was Biden’s turn to talk and Trump just kept interrupting. There might have been a better way to handle Trump’s interruptions, but I guess Biden just reached his tipping point and blurted out what he felt.

I learned that Trump was unsuccessful in trying to get rid of Obamacare and lied about it being successful on live television. I remember Chris Wallace asking him about his failed plan and he tried to cover it up saying that it is in the works and that his team is getting ready to do some big things. Biden, on the other hand, wants to grant cheaper premium healthcare to those of low income to ensure that they get the best healthcare no matter the price range. This leads me to ask the question, why doesn’t he want free healthcare for all? Why does he still want low-income people to pay for premium healthcare when they may not be able to afford it, even at a lower price? Previously when Trump was giving his opinion on masks during the COVID-19 pandemic, Biden also added that he wants to have free rapid testing for all while Trump wants to cut federal support for testing. They are clearly opposites of each other and, in the words of my sister, “two five-year-olds fighting over a basketball with playground insults.”

I think that this first debate will impact the election because I think a lot of people were expecting a presidential debate that is more professional would consist of actual debates over serious topics rather than questioning what someone has done in their 47 years in office over and over again. Hopefully, the next debates will have more discussions on actual topics rather than both parties jabbing at each other’s personal lives. I hope that we will get to watch more presidential debates just so I can compare this experience with the next. I think by November 3rd, people would have a clear choice in mind as to who they would be voting for and I hope that on election day, people, who can vote, would vote for who they believe will lead our country and actually educate themselves on what each parties’ policies are rather than basing things on rumors.

I agree with your points about the two candidates' healthcare plans, or the lack of one. It is interesting that Trump constantly lies about Obamacare, saying that it was such a failure despite it helping millions of Americans. I think Trump wants to depict universal healthcare as a radical socialist idea, even though it isn't very radical and would be incredibly beneficial to Americans in need. As for the conversation on testing, I think Trump actively benefits from a lack of high testing rates, because the higher the numbers are, the worse he looks.

TraderJoe's
Posts: 12

Well... This is embarrassing

I think years from now, the 2020 presidential debate is a video I'll naturally go back to when I'm feeling sad and need a laugh, similar to watching Key and Peele (comedy show). A few notable moments that stood out to me was when the President of the United States made a sex joke on national television during the debate, watching Chris Wallace escalate into insanity from his rightful frustration, and when Biden makes a reference to Trump's comment about injecting bleach to cure Covid-19.


On a more serious note, as many others have said, this debate was incredibly revealing of the Trump and Biden's character. In all honesty, I completely expected the lack of professionalism from Trump. What I was not expecting, however, was Trump's attack on Biden's sons, especially one that died of cancer and other that struggled with a drug addiction. When it reaches the point where Trump has insulted Biden's family and personal life, it becomes evident that Trump's following is so blindly attached to him regardless of whatever deeply immoral statements he'll make. It is exhausting listening for 1 hr and 30 min straight 2 men argue over strong questions yet give answers with no substance. It's obvious Trump doesn't have a plan for climate change or Covid-19. What really stood out the most was Trump's refusal to condemn white supremacy. Over the course of his presidential term, he's been blatantly Islamophobic, sexist, Anti-Asian, Anti Mask and overall xenophobic. It took me a while to understand that Trump isn't really Anti-Minorites and Anti-Women, Trump is just Pro-White and being Pro-White, you bring down minority groups as you raise white power up. I've noticed that none of these candidates have said the words "Black Lives Matter" as with the riots and law enforcement, Black Lives Matter became political rather than what it truly is, basic human rights.

Wyverary
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 9

I'm So Tired

What stood out to me most in the debate was the lack of notable moments. I would be hard pressed to recount most of the things said, as the vast majority of the ninety minute debate was taken up by Biden and Trump mumbling and talking over each other, while moderator Chris Wallace tried and failed to keep the presidential candidates on track. If someone was to only hear the audio, they would likely mistake the debate for a rambling argument between two old men in a nursing home. The only thing that stings even more is the fact that the most quoted lines from the debate are Trump’s supportive statement to the Proud Boys, a white supremacist group, and “don’t ever use the word ‘smart’ with me”, both of which increased my negative view of Trump. There seemed to me no moments which would have made anyone more likely to vote for either candidate. Further, I agree with lavagirl’s opinions on Trump and Biden’s lack of support for Black Lives Matter. The fact that neither candidate would fully support a movement which has united so much of the country was deeply disheartening.

Similarly to ThankYouFive, I don’t think anyone actually “got” anything from watching the debate; very little actual policy was covered, and Biden and Trump seemed to prefer bickering and interrupting one another over actually outlining policies or convincing viewers to vote for them. Trump repeatedly interrupted Biden whenever the latter tried to address policy, and moderator Chris Wallace seemed unable to actually control the debate. And while Biden seemed to confirm his reputation as a man who is almost too old to run for office, but whose heart is at least near the right place, in my opinion Trump came off even worse than usual, insulting Biden throughout the debate.

I think if anything this debate is going to discourage people from voting at all, as I know it made many people feel extremely disappointed about the future of the country, and both of the men running for office.


HCK6614JD
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 6

You call this a debate?

Without any doubt, the presidential debate was definitely a mess. I don’t think that “discussion” could even be qualified to be called a debate. There was no debating done there. Trump and Biden were arguing back and forth, like two children fighting for the same toy while neither one of them are showing any signs of letting go. Trump was name calling, throwing ad hominem attacks, deflecting answers, made multiple extremely racist remarks and repeatedly fed lies to the public about actions that he’ll never take. Because of Trump’s constant interruptions, it started to feel like both of them had definitely lost their cool and a grasp on the facts since both candidates were lying in their statements and mixing in lies into the truth at multiple points in the debate.

I think the entire first part of the debate stuck out to me. There was nothing important that could be said because of how often Trump was interrupting the debate. Trump called Covid19 the “China plague” very early on in the debate as if he wanted to shift all the responsibilities and blame back to China for being the sole reason why America is in this horrible state now when in fact it was due to his failure to take immediate and effective actions to prevent America from falling to where we are now. We've come a long way since early January when the term "Chinese virus" first came into the scene and it's so frustrating to see that Trump is still in denial and refuses to show any signs of responsibility when it came to handling the pandemic and addressing it. It's extremely racist but also hypocritical of him as he originally was anti-mask but now carries a mask around everywhere because the situation in America shows no signs of getting better.

I don’t think I could’ve learned much about Trump due to him refusing to answer the debate questions directly but one thing was made clear and that’s the fact that Trump will still continue to stand by white supremacy groups and support organizations of the same cause. Like butterfly123 said, “there should have been no hesitation to condemn white supremacy groups at all.” It was deeply unsettling to hear Trump tell white supremacists to stand back and stand by instead of giving the people the safety and reassurance they need. It was also pretty surprising to hear from Biden that he didn’t support the New Green Deal but at least he has his own plans regarding climate change which Trump did not even touch up on. I think that neither of them are suited for leadership as seen from how they were all over each other’s faces with insults at the beginning of the debate but Trump is the definitely the worse one between the two as an irresponsible candidate who keeps on giving empty promises and lies about almost everything is most definitely not suitable to run the country.

Like many others said, I don’t think this debate is going to do much to sway the public’s opinions because most people are already set with one side that they’re sticking to. This is a battle on two very extreme ends and both their supporters had probably made up their minds months ago in order to be swayed to either side.

dailychristmascountdown
Posts: 7

Lacking in Substance; Incredibly Important


This presidential debate was a discouraging example of how modern day American politics is so crowded by assertion rather than reasoning. What I mean by this is that politicians campaign themselves to appear in a way that is attractive to whichever audience they are targeting, and once they secure voters with likable ideas, they often continue to just assert their intentions wherever they can, but not explain them. This practice was all too apparent whenever Trump spoke. For example, when Trump was discrediting Obamacare, he had nothing to say about it except that “it’s bad.” Trump is assuring his Republican audience by talking bad about Obamacare, but has no solid reasoning to validate his point. Biden countered Trump’s attack on affordable healthcare by simply stating that “[Trump] has no plan” multiple times. Biden too was never entirely clear in his plans, but he was at least obviously attempting to reason and explain his views, which were mostly interrupted by Trump.


The most distinct issue with the “debate” (which is a loose name) was Trump’s constant interrupting. When the debate ended, I felt as though all I had heard was Trump talking incomprehensible points or the blabber of Biden trying to get a word in while Trump was speaking over him. Some of the commentators at the end of the debate were criticizing Biden for “not being mature” and name calling. I disagree with the opinion that we should disapprove of Biden for trying to assert himself against Trump’s interruptions. Trump’s character is one that takes advantage of and thrives on passivity, so if Biden had stayed quiet and hadn’t interrupted a few times as well, Trump’s bully instinct would call Biden weak. The rest of the country would see Biden’s silence as inability to stand up against a bully. Which I do not think is a characteristic suitable for a president.


Trump said some very scary things. One specific statement that caught my attention was when he said that young people are not being affected by Covid and that a vaccine is coming very soon. As someone who listens to scientists, I know this is not true. Trump has always been telling lies to the public, but it is especially disturbing when he gives dangerous false-hope that can hurt the uneducated public. Despite Trump having said that he will not willingly step down from the presidency if he is not re-elected, I can only hope that the blatant lies he spews influence undecided voters to carefully consider the characters of each candidate, because character is relevant to leadership. As we have seen, politicians can advertise whatever campaigns they want but have no plans for carrying out, so in order for a president to make positive change, they need to have a strong moral character that assures they will not fall short on their promises.


In response to @Bumblebee’s comment, I also was thinking “when can i stop watching this,” but this debate needed to be seen. It was tailored to undecided voters, but even decided voters need to watch each president carefully to thoroughly understand what they are voting for. What was terrifying about the 2016 election was that many interviewed people had said that they “didn’t care who was elected because both are bad,” and this makes me sick when it is so easy to inform yourself of who promotes the greater good.


I think that @alberic25’s title “Unprofessional Professionals” is a good description of who American politicians are today. When Trump started to attack Biden’s family and specifically, his son’s drug addiction, I felt very sympathetic to Biden who responded reasonably: defending his family without retaliating on Trump’s.

PatrickStar36
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 4

vote for biden

The first presidential debate for the 2020 election did not go well. Trump and Biden were constantly interrupting each other. Two moments stood out to me. The first one was when Trump was asked to condemn the white supremacists. Instead of condemning them, he told the proud boys to stand back and stand by. What is he telling the proud boys to stand by for? Is he telling them to get prepared for a revolution if he loses a fair election? The second moment that stood out to me was Biden not supporting the green new deal. I didn’t expect him to do this because he needs votes from progressives but he didn’t explain how the Biden Plan would be different.


Trump behaved how he usually would. He makes personal attacks and bullies people. Trump did not need to talk about Joe Biden’s family in the way he did. Biden did as well as he could have in this debate. Trump would not let him make his point.


The first debate will have little to no impact on people who have already made the decision of who to support. Independents probably dislike both Trump and Biden a bit more, but I think most of them would support the lesser of two evils and vote for Biden.




user34
Ingolstadt, Bayern, DE
Posts: 1

One moment in the debate that stood out was when Joe Biden said “will you shut up, man“ to Donald Trump. This was because Trump went over Biden when he tried to answer a question about the Supreme Court. He could have expressed this a little differently. In the end, Biden did not give a direct answer to the question of whether he would support adding more members to the Supreme Court.

Another moment was when Trump was asked to condemn White supremacists and refused to do this. And he told the Prod Boys, a far-right organization to “stand back and stand by“. He also added that almost everything oft he violence he’s seen has been from Antifa and the left. I think these statements are a very important point in the tv debate.

Personally, I don‘t think there is a clear winner in the TV debate. Both, Trump and Biden have interrupted and sometimes even insulted each other. Both have spoken inappropriately to each other. I don’t think that one of the two candidates presented himself well and was able to convice that he would be a good president.

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