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freemanjud
Boston, US
Posts: 154

No matter what your political views are, I think it's fair to say that that debate was .... unprecedented. Televised presidential debates began in the United States with the presidential race of 1960, between Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy. Kennedy was clearly prepared for the medium of television; Nixon, it is widely thought, was not. If you have ever been to Boston's John F. Kennedy Presidential Library, there's an entire section about the debates, how they were perceived by the American public, and how they affected the election outcome.


Fast forward 60 years. Wow.


People around the world have been looking at the United States and seem to wonder: what is happening in this country? This article, by Hannah Bosch, titled "‘I Feel Sorry for Americans’: A Baffled World Watches the US," was published by the New York Times several days before the debate happened.


Boston Latin School students: We are being joined, for the first of several occasions this year, by history and politics students of my colleague Mr. Markus Schirmer, from the Reuchlin-Gymnasium in Ingolstadt, Germany. Welcome Ingolstadt students! We look forward to hearing your perspectives on the looming election in our country and the debate that took place last evening.


Boston students: please welcome the Ingolstadt students and engage with their perspectives!


Here is your opportunity to weigh in with your impressions of the debate. Here are some questions to think about as you write:

  • What moments stood out to you?
  • What did you learn from either President Trump or former Vice President Biden about their plans for the nation?
  • What did you learn about the character of each person? Is character relevant to leadership?
  • How do you think this first debate will affect the election and what will follow November 3 (election day)?

If for some reason, you want to watch the debate again, click here for a link to the streamed version. And for highlights of the debate, take a look either at this from the BBC or this from Politico.

Hector_Zeroni
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 9

Donald Trump vs. Chris Wallace (featuring Joe Biden as moderator)

In the past, I’ve watched clips of presidential debates from JFK vs Nixon to Reagan vs Mondale to Obama vs Romney. These debates were handled in a presidential way. Even if you didn’t agree with the other side, one thing you could see was that both sides were willing to have a civil discussion about various topics. Trump completely changed what it means to have a debate in 2016, and you could tell by simply watching his performance against other Republicans. Trump utilized tactics such as name calling during the debates he had with Clinton and the debate he has had with Biden. I think the moments that probably stood out to me the most includes when Joe Biden said, “Will you shut up man?” The fact that presidential debates have gotten to the point where one candidate has to tell another candidate to be quiet is just sad. Another moment that stood out to me was when Trump refused to denounce White Supremacy and when he refused to say that he’ll calm down his supporters if he ends up losing. Trump repeatedly interrupted Biden and Wallace while they were talking. Biden also interrupted Trump, but this was not done as often as when Trump did it to Biden. From this debate, I haven’t really learned all that much about either man’s plan for the nation. The majority of the debate was spent on going over the same rehearsed lines with a bunch of jabs at one another. Joe Biden seemed as though he tried to remain as civil as possible, but he allowed Trump to get under his skin at certain points, like when he told Trump to shut up, causing him to act unpresidential at times. Trump acted more like a child than a teenager. The debates were such a mess that people even suggested the idea of having microphones muted when someone is speaking. I don’t agree with that, but I really think both candidates, especially Trump, need to grow up. The only thing I agreed with Trump on was when he mentioned it felt as though he was debating Wallace instead of Biden. Trump attacked Biden on a more personal level rather than policy. Whenever he brought up anything about Biden’s history as a politician, all I could remember was that he kept mentioning how Biden has had 47 years in office yet hasn’t done anything. Biden tried to attack Trump in regards to his policies, but there were moments when he called him names such as a clown. Wallace, by trying to ask Trump and Biden questions and give each of them time to respond, ended up in multiple arguments with the president. Overall, the debates more or less resembled a screaming match to see who can raise their voice the loudest rather than a discussion on each politician’s policies for the United States. Despite all the memes and talk that will arise from this, I don’t think it will affect the election all that much. Prior to the debate, almost a million people already voted for their candidate of choice, and it’s likely that people won’t care as much about what is said during the debates. Chances are, most people have already made their choice in regards to who is their preferred candidate. It may swing a few people towards a particular candidate, but not much change overall.
MSchirmer
Ingolstadt, Bavaria, DE
Posts: 4

First hello from Germany

First of all, I want to thank Ms. Freeman for reaching out to us and for giving us this very special opportunity to be part of this global project on civic obligations. Currently, there are 18 students of about your age from my English course at Reuchlin-Gymnasium participating in the project. Other colleagues are teaching them in History or Social Studies/Government courses in preparation of their graduation exams next spring. Their English oral exams will also cover the topics “The individual and society” as well as the American political system. At some later point they will be happy to talk about the current political situation in Germany.

We are excited to get to know you and your (political) views during the current US election campaign and are ready to share our thoughts from the distance.

freemanjud
Boston, US
Posts: 154

How is the rest of the world seeing this debate

Welcome, Mr. Schirmer and your students!

I just wanted to add one more incredible article that surveys how the world is perceiving this debate the morning after. I've linked it here

It is very sobering.

I am eager to read what you all have to say about this!

razzledazzle8
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 15

"Will you shut up man?" - Joe Biden

I would like to begin by saying that was the most disrespectful and unprofessional debate in American history and was a disgrace to the country. I can proudly say that our high school discussions in english class are more civilized and professional than that debate. I watched the debate with my father and after it he said “you’re watching a historical debate for all the wrong reasons” meaning the debate wasn’t in any way educational or interesting, it was just a interrupting and screaming match.

A lot of moments stood out to me in that debate. From the very beginning, Trump refused to let Biden get a word in. Like Hector_Zeroni said “Trump refused to denounce White Supremacy and when he refused to say that he’ll calm down his supporters if he ends up losing.” and I think that was one of the things that surprised me the most. He refused to utter the words and that really shows what he stands for. He just deflected the question by saying ANIFA is a “terrorist organization”. That question should open America’s eyes up to what Trump stands for. White supremacist groups are immensely racist and in my opinion makes him racist for not condoning them. Another part in the debate that really stood out to me was when they were talking about the military Biden stated that his son, Beau Biden, wasn’t a loser, who served in Afghanistan and was sent home with cancer and later died. Biden said this because Trump called soldiers who died in war “losers”, Trump then again deflected the statement and came at Biden’s son for being a drug addict which is a disease. No matter what no one should try to insult someone’s son for having a disease. It is very sad to know that during that debate Biden had to defend his son for being a drug addict like it isn’t hard enough to watch your son go through something like that. Then while Biden was talking about his late son, Beau, Trump continued to interrupt him. I can’t even fathom the disrespect of that act.

It was very hard to understand any plan because all that was going on was interrupting. But when talking about climate change Biden said he wanted to re-enter the Paris Accord and he has a plan but doesn’t support the Green New Deal, but for some reason Trump kept bringing up the Deal and said it would cost trillions of dollars. When they talked about healthcare, Trump said he had a plan, which has never been put out in 4 years, and would replace Obamacare but Biden said he wanted to have a Medicaid like public healthcare. When they went on to the economy, Biden said he would raise the minimum wage to $15 and millions of clean energy jobs, then Trump just talked about he fixed the economy even though Obama/Biden handed it to him. But the most interesting topic they touched on was criminal justice reform. Biden said that Trump was racist for getting rid of racial sensitivity training but then Trump called the training racist. Overall it was very hard to understand any points conveyed in the debate over all the yelling.

I learned a lot about both of their characters during this debate. I learned that Biden wanted to be civil and respectful during the debate but didn’t have the patience for it after a little while, especially when he told Trump to shut up. He didn’t particularly come at Trump’s character except for calling him a clown. But Trump called Biden dumb, brought his sons into the debate, and again like Hector_Zeroni said he kept talking about “he kept mentioning how Biden has had 47 years in office yet hasn’t done anything.” So now I can really see who has the better character and who doesn’t. Also character 100% matters in leadership positions because you can’t have someone who doesn’t care for others well-being and only cares for his own success.

But honestly I don’t think this will change voters' thoughts because they didn’t even say any solid plans they were going to do if they were in office. It might change the minds of people who hate Trump but hate Biden even more because now they see what Trump really stands for and what he is actually like, a bully.

Facinghistorystudent
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 7

Settle for Biden and not "this clown, I mean president"

The televised Presidential debates leading up to the election have been something that Americans have valued for over half a century. It is a place where the two candidates state their ideals in order to present themselves better than their opposing candidate. For decades, it has been done in a respectful manner, that made both candidates seem like valued politicians, however, last night broke all tradition. Of course in the past, the candidates have gotten in heated arguments where the mediator would have to come in, or their voices raised higher than their natural speaking voice, but never like the mess that was present last night.


The first part of the debate that really stuck out to me was the debate as a whole. Before I get into what I thought about their words, I think it is important to address their actions. During the debate, there was constant interrupting and multiple occasions where they could not finish a word without getting cut off by one another. This was mostly from Trump’s end, but Biden had his share of interrupting. What really stood out to me though were the psychological tactics used by President Trump. He refused to answer some questions and instead went around them and turned them into something completely unrelated.


With these tactics, Trump was able to openly support white supremacists. This part of his answer really scared me for the future of our country. Trump was given a platform to denounce white supremacy and instead he did the exact opposite. Another part that concerned me was that President Trump brought up Biden’s family, just so he could shame his son for having a drug problem. This part really shined light on Trump’s character because he was able to stoop that low on national television just to try and make himself look better, which actually just made him look worse.


From this I learned that neither man is the best choice for the presidency, but one is significantly better. Biden is relatable, whereas Trump who has never had to work for anything in his life, is not. Biden genuinely cares about bettering The United States, whereas Trump only cares about winning so his ego doesn’t get bruised.


I do know how this will affect the election on November 3rd. It is very difficult to tell, especially with Trump supporters because they will blindly support him in anything he says or does.

Bumblebee
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 13

One Big Mess

Since watching the debate last night, I have had many discussions both in and out of classes about its content. The majority of people I’ve spoken with seem to have had the same impression while watching: when can we turn this off? I have to agree with them.

From the moment the debate began, it was a mess. The points that stick out to me the most include when in the very first segment, Trump’s arguing with the moderator, Chris Wallace, got to the point where Wallace had to tell Trump, “You’re debating [Biden], not me.” Like Hector_Zeroni said, this was a common theme throughout the whole debate, during which Trump not only raised his voice at Wallace, but interrupted Biden almost every other word. Though Biden did his fair share of interrupting as well, it was nowhere near Trump’s level.

I think Wallace should have done a much better job controlling both candidates, and if he wasn’t capable, then someone else should’ve been selected to moderate. I acknowledge that keeping the peace between the two was a very difficult task, but that is basically the moderator’s whole job.

Another moment that stood out to me was when Trump attacked Biden’s dead son, who served in the military, along with his other son who struggled with addiction. It deeply saddened me to hear Trump defame Beau Biden, and I can’t imagine how Biden must have felt on the podium at that moment. It is one thing to attack your opponent, even though that is still disgraceful for a presidential candidate to do, in my opinion. It is another thing completely to attack your opponent’s deceased family members who are not there to defend themselves, and who have no relevance to any of the issues that were at hand.

The last moment that stood out to me, similar to Hector_Zeroni, was when Trump refused to denounce white supremacists. Though it did not come as a surprise to me due to Trump’s support of supremacist organizations like the KKK in the past, I was disgusted to see so blatantly that a presidential candidate can refuse to denounce racist hate groups and still be considered a valid candidate for American voters.

I did not learn much from either candidate about their plans due to the fact that the constant talking over each other was so chaotic it made it difficult to concentrate on what either one was saying in the first place. However, what I could make out did not impress me. I heard from Trump that his plan to combat the wildfires in California caused by climate change is to pick up the leaves. I also learned that Trump believes a vaccine will be available very soon, despite no evidence to support that claim and accredited scientists saying it will not be available until the summer.

I also wouldn’t say I “learned” anything about either man’s character, but I did see demonstrations of what I already knew. Trump proved once again that he is a lying, racist, childish person with no class, and that was in the first 45 minutes. Though Biden was more consistently levelheaded, he acted immaturely at many points in the debate as well, even going so far as to say, “Will you shut up, man?”

The whole debate felt more like an argument between children who both wanted to get the last word, which aren’t the characteristics of leadership that I would look for in a president. However, in my opinion, character is extremely relevant to leadership, which is why it is so disappointing that that of both presidential candidates is questionable.

I also agree with Hector_Zeroni in the sense that this debate will not affect the election that much. Mail in voting has allowed many people to cast their votes before the debate even took place, and in addition to that, most people watching the debate have already made up their mind. If Trump’s or Biden’s actions in the past haven’t been enough to change their respective supporters’ minds already, then it is doubtful that anything they said last night would accomplish that task. Overall, I thought this debate was an embarrassment to the country. Razzledazzle8 said it perfectly. "That was the most disrespectful and unprofessional debate in American history."
freemanjud
Boston, US
Posts: 154

@razzledazzle: Why do you think Trump thinks it is in his interest to bring up the Green New Deal repeatedly? And if you were Biden, how would you respond?

Also...@bumblebee: Just to clarify: Joe Biden has two sons. Beau Biden was, at the time of his death from cancer in 2016, Delaware Attorney General. He had served in Iraq and was recognized for his heroism there. Hunter Biden is his other son, still alive. He had struggled with and overcame drug addiction. Both Beau and Hunter was Biden's only sons with his first wife, who was killed in a car accident with their infant daughter when he first became a senator; Beau and Hunter were in the car too but survived.

I agree @bumblebee: you also have to roll your eyes when you hear that the solution to the epic fires on the West Coast is to pick up leaves (mind you, most of the forests burning are federal lands, under control of the federal--e.g.: Trump's--government.



broskiii
Charlestown, MA, US
Posts: 6

Settle for Biden.

I just want to start by saying that this is the first time that I have ever seen a presidential debate in my entire life and I am very disappointed. If it wasn’t for this facing history class, I don’t think that I would have ever sat down and watched two grown men, supposedly the leaders of our country, argue over who is the better candidate to lead America. At first, I was not impressed by the way that Trump was talking to the moderator and I remember that he said that he was no longer debating with Biden but was debating with the moderator because Chris Wallace told him to let Biden have his 2 minutes of speaking time. It was at that moment that I began to get a little upset over this debate. Another moment that also stood out to me was when Chris Wallace asked both parties what their thoughts on COVID in the US are and Trump just said that he was doing everything correctly and that he would put on a mask only if he needs to. He just admitted that the whole point of putting on a mask was for the sake of not being yelled at by others rather than actually caring about the people in his surroundings and not spreading germs. He mentions that Biden would wear a mask even he was 200 feet away and I agree 100% that you should wear a mask whenever you go outside because you never know who might be around you. Another moment that stood out to me was when Trump was asked about his thoughts on white supremacy and what he plans to do with his supporters. Wallace asked him what his thoughts were on race and white supremacy. Trump refused to denounce white supremacists and in my opinion, that means that he is okay with the idea that white supremacy still exists in America. He obviously doesn’t care about the lives of minorities when he decided to say that he will not calm his supporters down if he is reelected. Especially, in 2020, minorities were the face of hate crimes and through Trump saying that he will not calm his supporters down, that just proves to me that he has no intention of solving these hate crimes and has no intention of caring about the people of color.

I believe that character plays a big role in becoming a president and wanting others to vote for you because how you present yourself is what others see you as and this leads to others making opinions based on what they see. So, in this case, I would say that Trump has left an even worse impression on me while Biden has left a less than an optimal impression but still a lot better than Trump. I thought that when Biden called Trump a “clown” and told him to “shut up,” it was very unprofessional, but it was also very necessary at the time because it was Biden’s turn to talk and Trump just kept interrupting. There might have been a better way to handle Trump’s interruptions, but I guess Biden just reached his tipping point and blurted out what he felt.

I learned that Trump was unsuccessful in trying to get rid of Obamacare and lied about it being successful on live television. I remember Chris Wallace asking him about his failed plan and he tried to cover it up saying that it is in the works and that his team is getting ready to do some big things. Biden, on the other hand, wants to grant cheaper premium healthcare to those of low income to ensure that they get the best healthcare no matter the price range. This leads me to ask the question, why doesn’t he want free healthcare for all? Why does he still want low-income people to pay for premium healthcare when they may not be able to afford it, even at a lower price? Previously when Trump was giving his opinion on masks during the COVID-19 pandemic, Biden also added that he wants to have free rapid testing for all while Trump wants to cut federal support for testing. They are clearly opposites of each other and, in the words of my sister, “two five-year-olds fighting over a basketball with playground insults.”

I think that this first debate will impact the election because I think a lot of people were expecting a presidential debate that is more professional would consist of actual debates over serious topics rather than questioning what someone has done in their 47 years in office over and over again. Hopefully, the next debates will have more discussions on actual topics rather than both parties jabbing at each other’s personal lives. I hope that we will get to watch more presidential debates just so I can compare this experience with the next. I think by November 3rd, people would have a clear choice in mind as to who they would be voting for and I hope that on election day, people, who can vote, would vote for who they believe will lead our country and actually educate themselves on what each parties’ policies are rather than basing things on rumors.

razzledazzle8
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 15

Originally posted by freemanjud on September 30, 2020 21:25

@razzledazzle: Why do you think Trump thinks it is in his interest to bring up the Green New Deal repeatedly? And if you were Biden, how would you respond?

Also...@bumblebee: Just to clarify: Joe Biden has two sons. Beau Biden was, at the time of his death from cancer in 2016, Delaware Attorney General. He had served in Iraq and was recognized for his heroism there. Hunter Biden is his other son, still alive. He had struggled with and overcame drug addiction. Both Beau and Hunter was Biden's only sons with his first wife, who was killed in a car accident with their infant daughter when he first became a senator; Beau and Hunter were in the car too but survived.

I agree @bumblebee: you also have to roll your eyes when you hear that the solution to the epic fires on the West Coast is to pick up leaves (mind you, most of the forests burning are federal lands, under control of the federal--e.g.: Trump's--government.




I think by Trump bringing up the Green New Deal multiple times it flustered Biden because he didn’t want to just say he supported it so by bringing it up multiple times it shows how many times Biden refuses to answer it so he might lose voters who support the Green New Deal. Also, Trump kept saying that the Green New Deal would be trillions of dollars which could be a scary number to some Americans and Trump kept making it seem like Biden supported that even though he said he didn’t in the debate.

If I were Biden and Trump kept bringing up that topic I would answer it not try to dance around it. I would state the Green New Deal does not cost that amount of money. If it were me answering it I would say I support the Green New Deal because it reduces the amount of fossil fuels in America and wants to create well paying jobs in clean energy industries. From the way we are going right now, we are going to ruin the planet in 10 years. By putting the Green New Deal through it will save the world’s environment.

239bid0073
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 9

The American People Lost

Ingolstadt students, I want to start by saying that not every American is like that. The majority of us are civilized, believe in conversation, and want to contribute more to the world. What you saw on Tuesday not was not a proper reflection of who we are, and it is scary, and sad to think that that is what you may think we are like.


I went into the debate with an open mind in order to properly inform myself of who the possible next presidents are. Within the first three minutes I already knew that my goal of making an informed decision was not going to be met. Information that needed to be shared with the country was covered by the constant interruption, name calling, and bickering. As razzledazzle8 says we have all experienced more civil conversions in our English classes. As both bumblebee and razzleddazzle8 mentioned, Trump calling out Biden’s son is something so uncalled for. This debate is intended for the American people and they are the only people who should be mentioned. Bringing up family makes it a personal thing. And when dealing with politics and a whole nation nothing can be personal. I think this debate was a display of character for both of the candidates.


For Trump it furthered many people’s thoughts of disgrace on him. Unfortunately I can’t say if it changed anyone’s mind who liked him before. Biden was overpowered by Trump and his antics. But I think the debate proved his character to be better for the country. To me the debate was eye opening and in a very scary way. It is so surreal that the two options we have for President I believe are not fit to govern. I would say that Biden is better but his unwillingness to answer some questions directly, is a bit misleading. In any case the American people are the ones who lost that debate. We were not given the information we need to make an informed vote. Instead we were given a mess. I am interested to watch the next few debates to see what happens.

PineappleMan30
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 5

Trump vs. Biden - The WORST debate

This first debate between President Trump and former VP Biden was… to say the least, a catastrophe. Constant interrupting, talking over each other and just straight up calling each other names was nearly the entirety of it. A few moments stood out, however. Moderator and Fox News anchor Chris Wallace asked President Trump if he would condemn white supremacist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and his response “stand back and stand by”. He OPENLY REFUSED to denounce white supremacy. Another thing is about how dodgy he was about his taxes, and how he somehow found loopholes in the law to not pay them. On top of that, Trump spent his time trying to say what a good job he’s done, and how the country is in the best place it’s ever been in right now. Biden mentioned that he does not support the whole Green New Deal but he supports the Biden Deal, which is a CLEARLY different thing (though he doesn’t explain it).

The character? Easy. They’re both kindergarteners, fighting over who gets to keep a toy. Honestly, Biden did much better than Trump, not interrupting as much and not saying as many names. He let the temper get the best of him, telling Trump to “shut up man” and that he’s a clown instead of a president. Trump, well he interjected almost everything Biden said with “wrong”, and not only that, but also he argued with the moderator, and he was only doing his job!!!!

I think this debate really did positively affect Biden’s outcome in the upcoming presidential election. Trump exposed himself on the big stage, where the whole country, the whole world can see. If he is elected president for a second term, it will be a shock. I am interested to see what he says about mail in voting if he wins, or if he loses.

razzledazzle8
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 15

Originally posted by PineappleMan30 on October 01, 2020 14:23

This first debate between President Trump and former VP Biden was… to say the least, a catastrophe. Constant interrupting, talking over each other and just straight up calling each other names was nearly the entirety of it. A few moments stood out, however. Moderator and Fox News anchor Chris Wallace asked President Trump if he would condemn white supremacist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and his response “stand back and stand by”. He OPENLY REFUSED to denounce white supremacy. Another thing is about how dodgy he was about his taxes, and how he somehow found loopholes in the law to not pay them. On top of that, Trump spent his time trying to say what a good job he’s done, and how the country is in the best place it’s ever been in right now. Biden mentioned that he does not support the whole Green New Deal but he supports the Biden Deal, which is a CLEARLY different thing (though he doesn’t explain it).

The character? Easy. They’re both kindergarteners, fighting over who gets to keep a toy. Honestly, Biden did much better than Trump, not interrupting as much and not saying as many names. He let the temper get the best of him, telling Trump to “shut up man” and that he’s a clown instead of a president. Trump, well he interjected almost everything Biden said with “wrong”, and not only that, but also he argued with the moderator, and he was only doing his job!!!!

I think this debate really did positively affect Biden’s outcome in the upcoming presidential election. Trump exposed himself on the big stage, where the whole country, the whole world can see. If he is elected president for a second term, it will be a shock. I am interested to see what he says about mail in voting if he wins, or if he loses.

I like how PineappleMan30 added what Trump said about white supremacists, “stand back and stand by”. I find that truly disgusting how he isn’t condemning them but condoning what they do. Last night I saw a quote from Ed Markey saying “Donald Trump won’t condemn white supremacists because he is one.” , and I believe that statement really defines Donald Trump. It’s very unfortunate that the country has come to the point where our PRESIDENT can’t condemn whit supremacists.

Also I just wanted to add that Trump just told blatant lies during the debate. Trump said, “Excuse me, Portland, the sheriff just came out today and he said, ‘I support President Trump.’” Come to find out that was a complete lie. Sheriff Mike Reese of a county in Portland said, “I have never supported Donald Trump and will never support him.” This shows the dishonesty behind Trump’s presidency and how we have to take everything he says with a grain of salt.

butterfly123
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 8

Settle for Biden - The mess that was the debate

There were several moments in this debate that stood out to me. This was the first presidential debate I have ever watched, and while I was not surprised at what happened based on my previous knowledge of the candidates, I was still disappointed that there wasn’t more real information about either of their plans. The first moment that stood out to me was Trump's failure to condemn white supremacy. As razzledazzle8 said, he deflected the question and switched the topic to ANTIFA. There should have been no hesitation to condemn white supremacy groups at all. There shouldn’t have been deflection, he shouldn’t have diverted the conversation, his immediate response should have been ‘of course’. I think this is a very telling moment. It shows what he stands for, what he is willing to do, and where he hesitates.

Another interesting thing that I noticed throughout the debate is that whenever anyone mentioned something Trump had done wrong, or something his administration had done badly, he would answer with “that's not true”,or something along those lines. I found this very frustrating because in a situation like a debate it is hard to prove that facts are true in the moment, so most of the time the conversation just moves on. This really made me think about what people who are already Trump supporters and not interested in further educating themselves and fact checking what he says must think. Without doing their own research and simply listening to everything Trump says, they must think that he is doing a great job, so as 239bid0073 said, it is unlikely that this debate changed anyone who was already supporting Trump’s opinions.

As for what I learned about either candidate's plans, the answer is pretty much nothing. I learned that Biden doesn’t support the Green New Deal which I didn’t know before, and is disappointing, but that he does have his own plan related to climate change. While personally I support the Green New Deal, at least Biden would address climate change instead of pretending it doesn’t exist like Trump does. Overall this debate showed a lot about the candidates characters, and overall it raises concerns about the future of our country.

razzledazzle8
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 15

Originally posted by 239bid0073 on October 01, 2020 10:02

Ingolstadt students, I want to start by saying that not every American is like that. The majority of us are civilized, believe in conversation, and want to contribute more to the world. What you saw on Tuesday not was not a proper reflection of who we are, and it is scary, and sad to think that that is what you may think we are like.


I went into the debate with an open mind in order to properly inform myself of who the possible next presidents are. Within the first three minutes I already knew that my goal of making an informed decision was not going to be met. Information that needed to be shared with the country was covered by the constant interruption, name calling, and bickering. As razzledazzle8 says we have all experienced more civil conversions in our English classes. As both bumblebee and razzleddazzle8 mentioned, Trump calling out Biden’s son is something so uncalled for. This debate is intended for the American people and they are the only people who should be mentioned. Bringing up family makes it a personal thing. And when dealing with politics and a whole nation nothing can be personal. I think this debate was a display of character for both of the candidates.


For Trump it furthered many people’s thoughts of disgrace on him. Unfortunately I can’t say if it changed anyone’s mind who liked him before. Biden was overpowered by Trump and his antics. But I think the debate proved his character to be better for the country. To me the debate was eye opening and in a very scary way. It is so surreal that the two options we have for President I believe are not fit to govern. I would say that Biden is better but his unwillingness to answer some questions directly, is a bit misleading. In any case the American people are the ones who lost that debate. We were not given the information we need to make an informed vote. Instead we were given a mess. I am interested to watch the next few debates to see what happens.

I fully agree with 239bid0073 when they said, “For Trump it furthered many people’s thoughts of disgrace on him. Unfortunately I can’t say if it changed anyone’s mind who liked him before. Biden was overpowered by Trump and his antics.” I feel like that is the most important effect of the debate. Americans didn’t get to obtain any information about actual problems in the country because Trump avoided the questions and interrupted when Biden tried to answer. But I believe that the debate wasn’t enough for his supporters to see what he really is like because it’s not like he said any policies that were out of the blue, all he did was be obnoxious and narcissistic which is what his supporters like about him surprisingly. They like that he’s “outspoken” and “different” from other politicians and he presented that in the debate in their eyes. Trump’s actions took away from what was really important, plans and policies for the next four years.

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