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sizzles
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 11

Tangents + Taglines

Firstly, I’d like to say hey from Boston! Second, last night we did not watch a debate, we watched a verbal boxing tournament. Trump was the first to get off on tangents, and Biden followed his lead, unable to get a few words out without being spoken over. I’ve had 3.5 years of data to inform me that Trump is an extremely disrespectful person, but last night was horrendous. No insults were ever so personal. The fact that Biden had to defend his dead son’s legacy because the current president disrespected all of the members of the military who died, while simultaneously protecting his living son’s reputation was despicable. In addition, I barely heard snippets of potential policies. As we know, Trump refused to reject white supremacy AND supported it with his ‘‘stand up and stand by’’ comment. However, just as @Fidget said, Biden didn’t affirm the Black Lives Matter cause or movement. Clearly he believes being Trump’s opposition, as well as having a Black female vice president running mate, will satisfy America. White silence = violence; we need to hold Biden accountable. @JokerBra was correct in saying that this would only happen in America. Poor Chris, the next moderator needs a deafening gavel.
muumihalit
Boston , MA, US
Posts: 10

An Embarrassment for the US

I think Tuesday night was a total embarrassment for America. I think people around the world most likely think America is a disaster: it is the richest nation in the world yet it can’t handle the Coronavirus. A supposed country of freedom and democracy, yet the rights and safety of many groups in America depend on this one election.


The fact that the president which the country elected 3 years ago, acted like he did on a national, even worldwide stage was horrible. Although there were interruptions and name calling from both candidates, it was clear that Trump was the one constantly interrupting Biden, claiming what Biden said was false, and not letting him get a full sentence in, like a child. I think Trump has had a lot of moments you could call unpresidential these past three years, but on stage last night he was extremely unpresidential - not at all how you would expect the leader of the “greatest country in the world” (to quote Donald Trump) to act. I felt that one of Trump’s worst moments was when he personally attacked Biden’s family. The debate stage is supposed to be where candidates discuss their policies in contrast to each other, not personally attack opponents. While Biden was saying that his late son Beau, who served in the army, was not a “loser”, in reference to Trump's “losers and suckers” comment, Trump interrupted him to attack his other son, Hunter, for his past struggles with drugs. It was horrible that while Biden was trying to defend his late veteran son, Trump showed no sympathy or respect, and decided to attack his other son. Biden then said that Hunter, like many Americans, did struggle with drug addiction, but he was able to recover from it. I think that that remark might have reached Americans who have struggled with similar issues and been a plus for Biden, if viewers hadn't been shocked at Trump’s disrespect. This whole interaction seemed to be such a personal attack on Biden, one that certainly doesn’t belong on the debate stage.


However, perhaps the worst thing in my opinion, to occur during this “debate”, was when Trump was given multiple chances to, but in the end did not condemn white supremacy. To be clear, white supremacy is the notion that white people are superior to all other races, and should therefore dominate society. It is racist. By not condemning it, Trump was telling the American people that he is a white supremacist and he supports white supremacy. After Trump avoided the question by saying ANTIFA was the problem, Chris Wallace asked again. Then Trump said to “name” a group, to which Joe Biden replied the Proud Boys. According to Wikipedia “The Proud Boys is a far-right neo-fascist male-only organization that promotes and engages in political violence.” Even then Trump didn’t condemn them, in fact he told them to “Stand back and stand by”. This is far from condemning them, this is virtually telling them to “be ready to attack”. And I write “attack” because Trump also did not dissuade his supporters from any violence should he lose, he instead told them to go “watch” at the polls.

Also the fact that at some points during the “debate”, almost everything Trump was saying was a lie: for example when he talked about mail in voting, it seems really dangerous to me that he is able to spew so many lies to American voters and not be corrected.

I believe that character is absolutely relevant to leadership. From watching Trump the past few years, what he cares about are exaggerations, hyperboles, breaking “records”, boasting, even if it is false, and big numbers. “Greatest, tremendous, millions, a record”. He was rude, offensive, not eloquent at all. For Biden, he seemed to have some patience for Trump at the beginning, but he showed that he could maybe fight back when needed. For me, I agree with @madagascar that Biden’s character remained “uninspiring” and “very moderate”.

I also agree with @sizzles “Clearly [Biden] believes being Trump’s opposition, as well as having a Black female vice president running mate, will satisfy America. White silence = violence; we need to hold Biden accountable.” I do believe Biden needs to do more to show he is anti-racist, instead of just calling out Trump for being racist.

I think because the “debate” was utter chaos, Biden might opt out of future debates. From the article on how different nations reacted to the debate, one country said Trump supporters won’t be swayed by his performance, but maybe Biden skeptics gained a little more faith in him? At least I hope so.


I agree with @Joker Bra, that America seems the only country where 3 grown men shouting at and insulting each other on tv for 1.5 hours could pass for politics. The fact that voters are deciding who will get the highest office in the country based on this “debate” is scary.


I also agree with many other comments that because of all the arguing and interruptions, American voters weren’t able to hear much policy, which I think is extremely unfortunate and even dangerous because if there do turn out to be no further debates, and some voters rely only on this debate to decide who will get their vote, how can they make an informed decision if barely any information on policy was presented to them?

Earl Grey Tea
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 15

@JokerBra

Originally posted by JokerBra on September 30, 2020 14:00

A moment, or should I say moments, witch really rather shocked me, than stood out to me, was when the two candidates started to insult or interrupt each other. There have also been several tv-debates in Germany in which the chancellor candidates had occasion to argue with eatch other about ther views, but you would have never heard Angela Merkel or Sigmar Gabriel, former chancellor candidate for the social party, say “Halts Maul” (= shut up) to each other.

Hello from Boston! This is really cool. It's great to hear what people all over the world are saying about our country. Since the debate there have been so many responses worldwide, and it is really interesting to hear everyone's perspectives. Not everyone in America seems to understand that this type of behavior from presidential candidates, especially from the president himself, is unacceptable. You're right, it is really crazy how unprofessional they were, especially when you compare it back to most other debates which are respectful, such as between Angela Merkel and Sigmar Gabriel as you mentioned. I hope this behavior at the top does not serve as a characterization for Americans, most of us are much better than that.

Earl Grey Tea
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 15

@Murs1214

Originally posted by Murs1214 on September 30, 2020 17:30

Overall, the two candidates fought over each other for 90 minutes essentially leading us to no real result/winner of the debate. This is because during the 90 minutes on the air, president Trump did his speech habit of self centering the debate on making us feel bad for him as "everyone was after him his whole term" and with that, he kept interrupting Biden essentially bringing us no progress. However, something that really stood out to me was that the moderator, Chris Wallace, had to basically babysit the two candidates as one time he told president Trump to shut up and let Biden speak.

It is very disappointing that Trump came into this debate with a simple dirty strategy- portraying himself and his "work" in the past four years as some sort of savior for our great country, and turning the debate into a monologue full of interruptions. I agree with you, this is more of a "habit" of Trump's as you said, part of his narcissistic and authoritative character that his supporters love him for. He mentioned how all the bad rep he's been getting is only a result of the media. Everything the media has said about him, whether biased or not, is fake, he claims. As for the debate, his behavior, in my opinion, led to little change in people's views, which is what I think he was going for. As you put it, his interruptions brought us "no progress.'"

Imposter
Posts: 4

I want to express my deepest gratitude

Greetings, I am from the Reuchlin-Gymnasium Ingolstadt and first and foremost I want to express my deepest gratitude for the sacrifice that you, the American citizens, are making for us. Me and probably many other are very thankful for this free piece of first class comedy your nation was willing to share with the rest of the world. Personally I am quite convinced that the ones laughing the most were probably high ranking Chinese officials sharing a good time watching the situation that its biggest rival is finding itself in at the moment.

It was indeed very interesting to watch two adult men, who are running for what many might say is the most powerful position in the world, insult each other like little children while at the same time seemingly being barely able to actually answer the questions presented to them.

I am personally very doubtful that any voter at all was convinced by one of the two participants. Because I for one always expected TV debates to be there to try and convince undecided voters whom of the candidates to vote for but now I wouldn't be surprised if the Moderator was somehow elected instead considering that he seemed to be the most competent of the three.

To end this I want to say that I am deeply sorry for you Americans, who are now finding themselves in this dire political situation, and wish you the best of luck. And to add on a personal note: You should really focus on the "In God we trust" slogan, because seriously divine intervention might be necessary for your nation right now, cause I am not convinced at all that the political climate will improve once the election results are in (quite the opposite actually).

goob
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 10

The Spectacle that was the Presidential Debate

After watching the debate on Tuesday night, I was honestly at a loss for words. Though I didn’t expect much, I could hardly understand the topics being discussed at hand. The first 15 minutes were especially brutal, with Biden and Trump constantly bickering and the moderator, Chris Wallace, barely able to get a word in at times.

Despite this, there were some highlights that stuck with me. These instances were the personal insults being thrown back and forth, and many of Trump’s claims about COVID-19 and the economy. As @Earl Grey Tea said, “The debates are not supposed to be for personal attacks.” However, this was instantly ignored as both candidates verbally attacked the other. For instance, Trump told Biden to never use the word ‘smart’ since Biden supposedly forgot his college name and graduated lowest of his class. In response, Biden later called Trump a “clown” and the “worst president in American history”. I was shocked at the blatant insults, but began to think that it was a strategic decision on Trump’s part. By continually speaking over Biden and directing various insults at him, Trump could direct the focus off of the actual subject and Biden’s plans for the future. The debate honestly turned into a fight between Trump and the moderator. Furthermore, Trump’s obviously false statements on how he did a great job handling the COVID-19 pandemic and how he paid 27 million dollars worth of taxes one year shone throughout the 90 minutes. Trump has yet to release his tax returns because they’re simply “not ready” and boasted about his tremendous rallies during the pandemic, numbering around 35-40k people. He simply held these gatherings because the people “wanted to hear what he wanted to say”. His obvious disregard for the public’s safety and health was exemplified once again, only now on a national platform. One last moment that especially stood out to me, as I’m sure it did for many others, was Trump’s insults of Biden’s son. Beau Biden, who had served and passed away during his time in the U.S. military, was called a “loser” by President Trump. Trump’s lack of empathy for Biden’s departed son was morally disgusting to witness, as I did not expect the current President of the United States to stoop to that level of mockery in a presidential debate. However, I was especially moved by Biden’s following tweet after the debate, in which he included a picture of Beau and the phrase: “ Beau Biden was not a loser.” Biden’s passionate remarks defending his son was therefore his shining moment of the debate. All in all, I wasn’t really able to learn about any new plans from President Trump or the former vice president, Biden. They merely referenced their respective ideas for certain subjects, which had been noted before. For example, Trump discussed the billion tree project while Biden referenced the shift to renewable energy in response to the topic of climate change.

Finally, I believe that this first debate will not affect the election because no new points were exactly made. The debate mainly consisted of Trump, Biden, and moderator Wallace shouting over each other. As a result, I doubt any moderates were convinced to change their stance. Though neither side maintained a strong position throughout the debate, I believe that Biden won the upper hand of the debate. Trump was already losing in states and numbers beforehand and did not take the chance to redeem himself, which he so desperately needed. Instead, Trump spent his time with petty insults and dodging the questions that Wallace posed. On the other hand, Biden was able to direct his message to the American people, often staring down the barrel of the camera and inciting emotion among the public, deeming him as the victor.

In response to @anonymouse, I agree with their statement that “the point of the debate was for people to learn more about what to expect from their presidency, but neither of them gave clear answers…” As I previously had mentioned, the debate could’ve been a turning point for Trump, in which he could introduce new ideas and strengthen his case. On the other hand, Biden could have used this moment to expand on his plans for the future. Unfortunately, neither of them were able to achieve that. Trump spent his time talking over others, often over the moderator, and interrupting Biden’s responses with snide comments. As a result, Biden often had to stop talking mid-sentence and usually took a second to laugh and shake his head at Trump’s absurdity.

Wardo
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 11

An Odd hour and a Half

Hello Germany! It's quite embarrassing that we have to touch base on this topic when a majority of the things we have to say are negative. If there was one word to describe the presidential debate, it would be odd, because you sit through an hour and a half of this as an american citizen and begin to wonder, "what's next?". There are two grown men squabbling and one showing very little respect for the other, it was thought that as you grow up you learn limitation and if you are going to debate you learn correct debate tactics. However one thing that stood out to me was that Donald Trump showed that this was not the case for him. In a PRESIDENTIAL debate he belittled and disrespected his competition by not only calling his stupid, not verbatim, but he also disrespected his dead son and called his living son a deadbeat and pointed out his struggles with addiction. It was quite difficult to understand much of the policies they presented forward without much knowledge of politics, however I do know that Donald Trump does not have a good plan for the nation, because when asked to condemn white supremacists groups, he couldn't, and its evident that he never will because instead he encouraged them to take action by the end of the debate. This makes it difficult for many people to feel comfortable living in the US, and the lack of condemnation of a white supremacy group literally shows that he is here to divide the US. Th character of a person makes them a good leader, a bad attitude, a lack of empathy, and a lack of self control are not traits that a president should have. A president should be able to appeal to his people, understand his people, if they feel pain then he feels pain, those qualities are what a good president needs. The characters of the two candidates aren't perfect howver it is clear that Biden is closer to being the leader the US needs. However this debate may have swayed election day a little bit. It was very difficult to watch, understand, and even moderate(as we could see) that first presidential debate, so in the future when there are more debates, less and less of the american people may tap in to observe it, which is scary, because Trump has is supporters set in stone, however Biden does not, and day by day he's trying to win over the american people, but if less and less people are watching, that gives Biden less and less opportunities which could be detrimental to his campaign.

purplenailpolish00
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 6

Does it have to be like this?

@imposter, I completely agree. My friends and I have been talking about this for months, and a lot of us think that the U.S. is headed for some type of political revolution; Biden is just delaying it. I don't think we're going to break into anarchy anytime soon, but it won't be pretty.

The debate was not only hard to watch (because, seriously, if I wanted to watch two old white dudes fight each other for 90 minutes I'd go to a nursing home), but it was also scary. In most live events, Trump lies. Whatever he says, there is a very good chance it's not true, even though he says it with complete confidence.

It's scary. These 2 people are not representative of our country. I try to keep my faith in the actual American spirit of welcoming all and freedom and all that, but neither of these candidates represent the majority of people in this country. I'm honestly sort of in shock, but not really surprised. My family is in Boston politics so I've been interacting with the Boston liberal versions of Biden and Trump since I was really young, and I learned some things really quickly. Such as, no one actually listens, they just wait until it's their turn to talk. Seeing that on a national scale was scary, because I hoped this was something specific to Boston and would gradually get voted out.

I want to end this brief rambling post with Zoe Leonard's 'I want a president". It really really helped me realize that this isn't the way it has to be.

TW for language and gay slurs

leafinthewind
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 10

Sad Times for the USA

That debate last night was sad. It was a disappointment and really highlighted the problems with the two party system in America. The two candidates were just yelling at each other and didn’t really say anything of substance. However, it was pretty fun seeing Biden tell Trump to shut up. The debate was very poorly organized and the candidates need to learn that there are consequences for breaking the rules. The moderator should be more strict about interruptions and time violations. I think both candidates realized that they could do whatever they wanted with no consequences. Trump said some very rude things and even called Biden stupid. Two grown men spent an hour and a half bickering back and forth. Trump brought up very personal issues such as Hunter Biden’s drug addiction. Trump was asked by the moderator, Chris Wallace, if he was prepared to condemn white supremacists such as the Proud Boys. Trump partially sidestepped the question and told the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by”. This is partially condemning them but also somewhat accepting them. Within the first few minutes, the debate completely devolved into chaos and it remained that way for the entire duration. Trump is a very aggressive and forward leader and is not afraid to make his feelings known. Biden however is a little bit shaky with his speech which shows his hesitancy to act. A balance of hesitancy and decisiveness is necessary for a good leader. I don’t think either of these men are fit to be the US president. I believe people should vote 3rd party so that these parties can be present at the debates in the next election years. I have seen many people on social media saying that a 3rd party vote is the same as a vote for Trump. This is a poorly thought out argument as the same thing could be said for the other side. The two party system is flawed in that voters don’t decide which party they agree with. The voters really decide they disagree with less. I agree with @Wardo that this disastrous debate will mean that fewer people will watch the upcoming debates. This in turn will lead to ill-informed voters. Trump’s performance in the debates doesn’t really matter to him; his main goal is to separate Biden from his voter base. Overall, I’m disappointed with what I saw and I’m just sad for America.

redlavazibra
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 7

The unfortunate two presidential options

While watching the Presidential debate, I had severe second-hand embarrassment to say the least. The whole thing just felt like a disaster and the worst debate I've ever seen. Trump and Biden constantly interrupted and talked over each other while Chris Wallace tried to control things. I saw a tweet that said "Chris Wallace now knows what it's like to be a kindergarten teacher after the debate" and I think that's a good way to put it. In addition, there were numerous inappropriate remarks made, especially by Trump. He referred to the COVID-19 virus as the "china virus" and made a joke about Pocahontas, referring to Elizabeth Warren. He also refused to disavow white supremacists and when asked about black people he said he "loves the police." In addition he showed a lack of empathy for Biden's deceased son, whom passed away from cancer. All of these examples are very concerning to me. Many questions asked by the moderator were missed or confusing to listen to with the two candidates, so I didn't take away much from watching. Overall, I think there was more said about Trump's character than Biden's. Trump persistently gas lit Biden and Biden held his ground better. I think Trump lost more votes than Biden after the debate, but I'm still very unsure of how the election will turn out.

vintage.garfield
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 11

Did I Accidently Turn On An Episode of A Sitcom?

What happened on the 29th was not a debate. A proper debate would not have personal attacks or people talking over each other. This debate was so ridiculous that there were so many memes on social media. Nothing about the debate was professional or representative of how candidates for president of a country should be. There was a clip that I specifically remembered of all three men talking over each other and interrupting each other. I felt bad for Wallace, who Trump kept disrespecting and making his job a lot harder by refusing to follow the rules.


This debate shows a lot of evidence for the types of people these people are. I agree with @JokerBra (hello from Boston by the way) about how poorly both candidates presented themselves. They both resorted to insults and child-like behavior. I can’t even say if I was shocked that Trump refused to condemn white supremacists and even told the neo-fascist group “Proud Boys” to stand by. His crude comments towards Biden’s sons were atrocious seeing as how he also insulted the military, who are symbols of this country. And even though Biden’s remarks and manners were not as crude as Trump, he still presented aggressive behavior and used unprofessional language such as calling Trump a clown. Even then, Biden still brought some attention to issues in this country such as racism, health care (specifically Obamacare), and the economy. I still don’t remember any full on discussion of their plans for the nation, however; it was just 90 minutes of some drama show.


These behaviors really have a lot to do with leadership - how will either men lead and represent the entire country when they can’t even have a proper debate? I think this debate could make people less likely to vote due to the lack of professionalism and leadership shown.


vintage.garfield
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 11

Did I Accidently Turn On An Episode of A Sitcom?

What happened on the 29th was not a debate. A proper debate would not have personal attacks or people talking over each other. This debate was so ridiculous that there were so many memes on social media. Nothing about the debate was professional or representative of how candidates for president of a country should be. There was a clip that I specifically remembered of all three men talking over each other and interrupting each other. I felt bad for Wallace, who Trump kept disrespecting and making his job a lot harder by refusing to follow the rules.


This debate shows a lot of evidence for the types of people these people are. I agree with @JokerBra (hello from Boston by the way) about how poorly both candidates presented themselves. They both resorted to insults and child-like behavior. I can’t even say if I was shocked that Trump refused to condemn white supremacists and even told the neo-fascist group “Proud Boys” to stand by. His crude comments towards Biden’s sons were atrocious seeing as how he also insulted the military, who are symbols of this country. And even though Biden’s remarks and manners were not as crude as Trump, he still presented aggressive behavior and used unprofessional language such as calling Trump a clown. Even then, Biden still brought some attention to issues in this country such as racism, health care (specifically Obamacare), and the economy. I still don’t remember any full on discussion of their plans for the nation, however; it was just 90 minutes of some drama show.


These behaviors really have a lot to do with leadership - how will either men lead and represent the entire country when they can’t even have a proper debate? I think this debate could make people less likely to vote due to the lack of professionalism and leadership shown.


JGV
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 17

No Words…

There have been only a few election cycles in my life but there are only two I have a real memory of occurring. During the 2012 election I was 8 and during the 2016 election I was 12 so realistically this is the first debate I have watched that I understood what was happening and could form my own opinions. To say it was a disappointment is an understatement. Going into it I expected there to be a level of respect and the ability to be cordial with the two men running for the highest position in the United States but I was extremely mistaken when the next hour and a half of childish bickering ensued.


The most stand out aspect of the debate was Trump attempting to frame Biden as a radical leftist when he truly is the most moderate out of all of the Democrats that were in the race. A stand out moment to many was Trump’s flat out refusal to denounce white supremacy and instead told them to “stand down and stand by”. Truly it didn't stand out to me because I expected nothing less from him, the past few months he has called BLM protesters anarchists and violent people but has never spoken that way about the alt-right. Hearing how he spoke about them though unsurprising, was a bit surreal.


There wasn’t much to be learned from the debate because neither candidate could nor would speak of their specific plans for the future of America nor did they answer any of the questions directly. Biden seemed to have a much clearer direction for plans on climate change and healthcare while Trump’s main approach to every question was to argue and not allow Biden to finish his sentences. The character of both candidates was well known prior to the debate and watching it already confirmed what we the viewers knew. Trump was loud and disrespectful as usual and while Biden maintained his composure for the most part even he couldn’t stop some snide remarks. Even though Trump deserved no respect because he certainly wasn’t giving it, it’s disheartening to see both candidates act in such a childish manner. For people in between candidates, those looking for composure might have been swayed to Bidens side while those seeking out a brash and unsilenced individual could now be on the Trump side. EIther way the state of our politics and country is looking quite grim.

JGV
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 17

Originally posted by sizzles on October 01, 2020 00:12

Firstly, I’d like to say hey from Boston! Second, last night we did not watch a debate, we watched a verbal boxing tournament. Trump was the first to get off on tangents, and Biden followed his lead, unable to get a few words out without being spoken over. I’ve had 3.5 years of data to inform me that Trump is an extremely disrespectful person, but last night was horrendous. No insults were ever so personal. The fact that Biden had to defend his dead son’s legacy because the current president disrespected all of the members of the military who died, while simultaneously protecting his living son’s reputation was despicable. In addition, I barely heard snippets of potential policies. As we know, Trump refused to reject white supremacy AND supported it with his ‘‘stand up and stand by’’ comment. However, just as @Fidget said, Biden didn’t affirm the Black Lives Matter cause or movement. Clearly he believes being Trump’s opposition, as well as having a Black female vice president running mate, will satisfy America. White silence = violence; we need to hold Biden accountable. @JokerBra was correct in saying that this would only happen in America. Poor Chris, the next moderator needs a deafening gavel.

I comletely agree on the aspect that "white silence is violence". Its dissapointing that Biden did not speak on the Black Lives Matter movement, especially since he speaks so much about wanting the Black vote but he isn't doing anything tio righfully earn it. His entire platform to get voters onto his side is that he isn't Trump and right now that may be what we need but, he needs to demonstrate what he is truly going to do for America.

JGV
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 17

Originally posted by Imposter on October 01, 2020 16:40


To end this I want to say that I am deeply sorry for you Americans, who are now finding themselves in this dire political situation, and wish you the best of luck. And to add on a personal note: You should really focus on the "In God we trust" slogan, because seriously divine intervention might be necessary for your nation right now, cause I am not convinced at all that the political climate will improve once the election results are in (quite the opposite actually).

Hi from Boston! You couldn't be more correct in saying we are in a dire political situation. Personally I'm scared for what's going to happen after the election since as you said I'm not sure anything will improve. Either Trump rejects the results and calls his people who are "standing by" or he wins and certainly the country will descend in chaos. We live in a country where we have rely on the election results to protect our basic rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" and it this wasn't really in danger I would say from the outside looking in that it is truly a bit comical.

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