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Imposter
Posts: 4

I am worried

Originally posted by orangedino on October 02, 2020 00:44

Greetings from Ingolstadt,

Something that really bothered me throughout the entire thing was that Donald Trump kept disrespecting the rules of the debate. He treated the debate like a joke, which (to me) also shows that he treats running our country like a joke. He speaks so often about he is "one of the people" and how he loves this country so much, but he doesn't even have the decency to act according for an American debate. I also was VERY angry when he brought up Biden's sons. Trump had no right to speak about Biden's family in a disrespectful manner during that debate. He spoke about Biden's deceased son AND also spoke poorly about Biden because his other son suffered from addiction. Biden's personal life has nothing to do with how well he can run a country, and I can't think of a reason as to how anybody on Trump's team thought it would be a good idea to bring it up. One thing that I did find very interesting was that Biden claimed that he doesn't support the Green New Deal, which I thought he did. I later found out that on his website he claims to support it, which makes me wonder what other things his website says he supports that he actually doesn't. I'm not really sure how this debate will effect the election. Not much was actually said so there is not much to go off of in that regard.

@orangedino I indeed agree that bringing up Biden's hard personal life was extremely inappropriate, even though I kind of have to say that in my opinion the personal life isn't unimportant and might reflect upon ones term in office. I for one don't expect someone who doesn't have control over his home life to run a country very succesfully (not to say that Biden has such problems, considering that all the issues mentioned by Trump were out of his control).

While not wanting to insult any of the two candidates (ok, actually I do) I was surprised that it came once more to such a choice in the election. I remember back in 2016 thinking: "How did it happen that somehow the only candidates remaining are Trump and Clinton?" and nowadays I kind of get the same feeling. This debate kind of gave me the view that somehow both of them are not really able to run a nation, with both seemingly lying whenever they see fit (Trump far more often than Biden though) and even though I take that as given with politicans nowadays it was still very much appalling.

But to be honest my greatest worry is not who will become president but what might come after. Just looking at the violence occurring right now in the States or during the Black Lives Matter protests I am very confident that it will not develop in a positive way. Many supporters of whomever loses will most likely suggest that the election was rigged and might get violent. So whatever happens Americas internal stability will most likely not improve, which I am sure many of its geopolitical rivals will love to see.

FANBOY
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 12

The Debate

This was the first presidential debate I have ever watched, and even I know that was the worst presidential debate in all of U.S. History. The whole world was watching the two most popular people in the United States of America, one of them leading America and the world for the next four years and it can offer and they laughed. America is showing what its been trying to hide under policies, and politics for years. Its showing that the best it has to offer, on one hand is a man who refuses to condemn white supremacy along other things, and on the other hand a man who is with each passing day appearing more and more senile. These people clashed on Monday night and embarrassed America. There were so many inappropriate things said at the debates Monday night. At one point Biden had said to Trump something along the lines of: “He doesn’t know how to let me finish”. Biden of course referring to the multiple times Trump cut him off, but what Trump said next was absolutely nauseating to hear. Trump responded with: “You’d be surprised”, and smirked to himself. I believe the President of the United States of America was making an allusion to sexual acts in the middle of a presidential debate. This isn’t just un-American its extremely inappropriate for the President of the United States to say, and it was said in front of the world. Not only were there despicable moments like that in the debate I learned almost nothing from either candidates, because of Trump. Every time Biden tried to inform the American people about his plan Trump jumped in, cut Biden off, and Biden would get distracted and roped into Trump’s mind games. The true characters of these candidates showed on Monday night. Trump showed himself off as the smartest man in America. The man is truly a manipulative genius. His tax returns were released and he knows what he did was illegal, but he needed something bigger to distracted to American people. Lucky for Trump the debate was right around the corner. He made a bigger mess on purpose to buy himself time to figure out a defense strategy for his taxes. Biden’s strategy of I’m one of you America, was very prevalent during the Monday night debate, but there were better democratic candidates who were eliminated. Neither character is suitable for office, one is just more insane than the other. I think this will have an effect on the election in November, not a huge effect, but an effect is an effect. I believe this debate strengthened each parties belief in their candidate. Conservatives will respect Trump for “not taking any crap”, and liberals will agree with Biden, not because of Biden’s plans but because Donald Trump is a psychopath. Cookie Monster brought up a point that they are still stuck in their home, after initially we were told, we were going to be home for 1 to 2 weeks. We have been home for what is about to be 7 months. Trump has failed the American people, so let’s hope Biden can do better. We couldn’t even get a solid corona virus answer from Biden on Monday night’s debate.

j4n3.d03
Boston, MA, US
Posts: 5

Will the United States Fall like the Roman Empire?

Erstens, herzlich willkommen bei unseren bayerischen Freunden am Reuchlin-Gymnasium. Ich bin aufgeregt, ihre Gedanken und Perspektive zu hören. Ich nehme Deutsch, und dachte ich, ich werde die Gelegenheit nutzen!


One thing I’d like to start off with is that Chris Wallace did a rather good job in moderating, For example, prior to Trump telling the white supremacist group, the Proud Boys to “stand by” despite being a proven threat as assessed even from federal agencies, having been convicted of assaulting Antifa members in 2018, and spreading conspiracy theories about “factions of elites weaponizing the virus for mind control”, Wallace had initiated with “I was going to ask about race, but if you want to answer with something else, go ahead.” To think Trump would have actually stayed on topic is absurd, Wallace knew he would be getting nowhere at this point, it revealed Trump's desperation to which he's actively resorting to appealing to the alt-right. It also gives us a wider framework of Trump’s thinking and lots of other people on race in our society. They’re simply allowed to ignore it based on their racial privilege. Just as Trump had decided to ignore any amount of civility and debate that evening. As most have already said though, it’s not a surprise. The discussion we had in class further cemented my thoughts that Trump was doing this so that there'd be less news coverage in regards to the his tax return scandal. Even in a larger framework though, both Trump and Biden’s actions and words reflect on the widening partisanship of our country, even if most people of the United States identify themselves somewhere in between.


Frankly, what I learned from this debate is we’re in deeper waters than ever and that Trump should’ve stuck to the entertainment industry. The New York Times article Ms. Freeman shared with us that even people in Myanmar have been contemplating that our country will fall like the Roman Empire. 10 months ago, even the Atlantic was saying this. One can’t deny there’s certainly truth in that argument. Slavery is considered one of the main aspects that prevented the Roman Empire from focusing on developing new technological developments to ease manual labour, but instead, they simply upped the ante in slave labour. We see that reflected in the US’s mass incarceration system rooted in systemic racism (which I’m sure majority most of my peers have been acquainted with due to the surge of activism in social media and documentaries such as 13th.) However, just as there was not some cataclysmic eruption that dissolved the western half of the empire, this isn’t the only reason the United States is in shambles.


As our presidential candidates were arguing over one another than actually discussing the deteriorating and contracted economy with lacking mobility (particularly after Trump’s tax cut implementation in 2019 that resulted in cutting off social programs), a great opportunity by Biden was missed to incentivize middle class audiences with a plan he had formerly discussing in raising tax cut back midway from its original 39%. Can’t blame him entirely though, given the continuous interruptions made by Trump. It goes to show the significance of civility as a requirement for leadership, that the behaviour at that debate simply can’t be tolerated and further implementations need to be taken for the future presidential election debates. I know many have encouraged applications to mute the opposing party’s microphone when one is trying to speak within the two-minute duration. If there’s one good thing that came out of this, debate mentors and teachers can utilize this event on how not to have a discussion.

User58
Ingolstadt, Bayern, DE
Posts: 1

Impressions from the First US Presidential Debate on 29 September 2020

The first presidential debate between President Trump and Joe Biden featured a chaotic series of exchanges and insults. I was very shocked when Biden said "Will you shut up, man ?" or "It's hard to get any word with this clown". The moderator struggled to maintain control as he asked the candidates with questions about the Supreme Court, the corona Virus, the economy and more. The president leveled barrages of unfounded accusations against his Democratic rival and his family. Trump bringing up the history of drug abuse from his younger son Hunter Biden. The president asked Biden at one point " Did you use the word smart? You graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class. Don't ever use the word smart with me, Joe." Against it, called Biden Trump as the worst president America has ever had. The whole debate consisted of insult and, in my opinion, immature behaviour. So I don't think the debate benefited one candidate more than the other. Personally I think that both of the candidates presented themselves bad and they weren't able to convince anybody that one of them would be a good president for a country as influential as America.

Sippycup
Boston, Massachusetts, US
Posts: 11

The Most Unprofessional Debate

A lot of moments stood out to me, the name calling, the unprofessionalism, the avoidance of questions, but one that especially stood out to me was Trump's personal attack on Biden's son for having a drug problem. I thought it was out of the blue and not relevant at all to this debate. Maybe that is just part of Trump's personality. Or maybe this was his strategy going into the debate. Either way, it shocked me. Like @Imposter said, it's inappropriate to conduct such a personal attack during what is suppose to be a professional and political debate of the two presidential nominees.

President Trump seems to hold the same plans he had before the debate. He is still calling Antifa a terrorist group and refuses to denounce either the KKK or the Proud Boys. He also places the concerns of the economy over the concerns of the environment, claiming that we already have immaculate air and water and the solution is to plant more trees. He would rather invest in saving the airplane companies and the cows (weird suggestion) than to work on projects such as the Green New Deal, however Biden also admitted that he doesn't support the Green New Deal and so he's not off the hook yet. If I am being honest, Biden has been avoiding a lot of questions regarding his policies during the debate and so I couldn't make out any. His campaign seems to be very Anti-Trump.

The character of Trump also remains the same during the debate with the name calling and the unprofessionalism as I mentioned before. He makes personal attacks, interrupts Biden's 2 minutes constantly, and even argues with the moderator. And for Biden, it was only a little bit better. I love how @cherryblossom put it, Biden made the effort to be the better person. He made eye contact with the camera in order to talk to the people, the American people, however he still stooped down to Trump's level which made me extremely disappointed. Trump was FAR more unprofessional than Biden however that is expected to be honest. I wanted Biden to not fall for Trump's mind tricks and keep his calm, like how Hillary did in the 2016 debate.

Overall, this debate is useless, but very entertaining. It could almost pass for a SNL skit. People have already made their minds up. Trump supports follow him devoutly. Biden supporters are forced to settle for Biden. We all knew how these two nominees were before the debate and nothing much has changed about them. What matters is roping in the swing states because they control the Electoral College.

Heyyou
Ingolstadt , Bavaria , DE
Posts: 2

Originally posted by FANBOY on October 02, 2020 03:47

This was the first presidential debate I have ever watched, and even I know that was the worst presidential debate in all of U.S. History. The whole world was watching the two most popular people in the United States of America, one of them leading America and the world for the next four years and it can offer and they laughed. America is showing what its been trying to hide under policies, and politics for years. Its showing that the best it has to offer, on one hand is a man who refuses to condemn white supremacy along other things, and on the other hand a man who is with each passing day appearing more and more senile. These people clashed on Monday night and embarrassed America. There were so many inappropriate things said at the debates Monday night. At one point Biden had said to Trump something along the lines of: “He doesn’t know how to let me finish”. Biden of course referring to the multiple times Trump cut him off, but what Trump said next was absolutely nauseating to hear. Trump responded with: “You’d be surprised”, and smirked to himself. I believe the President of the United States of America was making an allusion to sexual acts in the middle of a presidential debate. This isn’t just un-American its extremely inappropriate for the President of the United States to say, and it was said in front of the world. Not only were there despicable moments like that in the debate I learned almost nothing from either candidates, because of Trump. Every time Biden tried to inform the American people about his plan Trump jumped in, cut Biden off, and Biden would get distracted and roped into Trump’s mind games. The true characters of these candidates showed on Monday night. Trump showed himself off as the smartest man in America. The man is truly a manipulative genius. His tax returns were released and he knows what he did was illegal, but he needed something bigger to distracted to American people. Lucky for Trump the debate was right around the corner. He made a bigger mess on purpose to buy himself time to figure out a defense strategy for his taxes. Biden’s strategy of I’m one of you America, was very prevalent during the Monday night debate, but there were better democratic candidates who were eliminated. Neither character is suitable for office, one is just more insane than the other. I think this will have an effect on the election in November, not a huge effect, but an effect is an effect. I believe this debate strengthened each parties belief in their candidate. Conservatives will respect Trump for “not taking any crap”, and liberals will agree with Biden, not because of Biden’s plans but because Donald Trump is a psychopath. Cookie Monster brought up a point that they are still stuck in their home, after initially we were told, we were going to be home for 1 to 2 weeks. We have been home for what is about to be 7 months. Trump has failed the American people, so let’s hope Biden can do better. We couldn’t even get a solid corona virus answer from Biden on Monday night’s debate.

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@FANBOY, there‘s nearly nothing left to say! I fully agree with your statement and the things you said. Just one thing: both said things here that may are not very good to say in public. Especially not on such a big presidential debate. Not just Trump said abusive things. Biden did too. For example when he said: „he‘s a fool.“ or “you’re the worst president America has ever had, come on.”
I won’t say, I don’t agree with him but sentences like this shouldn’t be said in a presidential debate.
I just wanted to add that. But anyways: in every point you mentioned I agree with your opinion.

Landlos
Ingolstadt, Bayern, DE
Posts: 2

Originally posted by cherryblossom on October 01, 2020 19:05

This first presidential debate was a disaster, as I found it very difficult to watch. Throughout most of the debate, Trump and Biden were talking over each other. At many moments, like @boricua1234, I also asked myself what was happening and was this real. There was an overwhelming number of personal attacks, especially from Trump, and very little talk of their plans for this country.


A moment that stood out to me was when the moderator asked Trump to call out white supremacist and tell them to stop adding to the violence in the nation. However, he did not condemn them, as he said he could do it but then made no effort to denounce extremist groups. Even though Trump’s response was no surprise, it was a good point for the moderator to bring up because it clearly showed the president’s racist disposition and tolerance for extremists’ actions. There was another point in this chaotic debate that stood out to me. Trump expressed that racial sensitivity training in federal agencies should end “because it’s racist.” It is sad to know that some people in America believed this and other things he has told them. Becoming knowledgeable about racial discrimination and systemic racism is something that everyone should strive for. As individuals, it is our responsibility to educate ourselves about racial inequality. It is important not only to be aware of racial injustices, but also to actively fight against racism as anti-racists, rather than as non-racists.


When Biden spoke, Trump often interrupted him. He claimed that Biden was lying, or he criticized the former vice president personally. This shows that Trump is very defensive and is a bully. He could not abide by the simple rules that were set for the debate. How can we expect a person that cannot have a civil conversation to lead this nation? On the other hand, most of the time Biden refrained from talking over Trump and the moderator. He was also able to maintain a controlled attitude, despite the aggravating comments that Trump made. Even though some people might argue that he was too quiet, his demeanor showed that he could control himself and be the adult in the room. Biden was able to reorganize himself and get most of his point across even with Trump’s loud and frequent interruptions. In addition, he made several efforts to look directly into the camera to speak to the American people, unlike Trump. Although Biden clearly demonstrated better character, nobody really won this debate. We need a president that can lead us through the pandemic and social unrest. We need a president that priorities the people and their concerns. Most of all, we need a president that can feel compassion and empathy for the people that are struggling in this country.


While it will be an unforgettable one, this first presidential debate was not informative or successful. Like @ernest., I hope that the future debates will better address each candidate’s plans and their intentions instead of having another debate with unproductive and personal arguments. With more promising debates, some citizens will be able to make a meaningful and clear choice by November 3rd, as our next president is an investment for our future.

At first i want to say hello from Germany and that it's very nice that we can join such a interessting project.

I defenitly agree with the things you said. I was very diffucult to watch and I think the debate has not fullfiled its meaning. It was more about personal things than politics. It was very disappointing and they didn't act very professional. I'm curious how the whole election campaign will continue after Trump was tested positiv for Covid-19. Also i really hope, as you already said, that the second and third debate will be better.

lucy
Ingolstadt, DE
Posts: 2

No winners

What might possibly have been an interesting and even educational exchange turned out to be a distressing, largely unwatchable and pointless contest.

While I was watching the debate, I found myself wondering: Aren’t there rules of debating? It is of no value to me to hear one person shouting over the other so I can hear neither of them. Aren’t the debaters supposed to listen to the moderator? It was just disappointing. If they can’t act presidential, could they at least act like reasonable adults.

Donald Trump refused to let Joe Biden so much as complete a sentence without an interruption or insult. Trump did show himself as the more “domineering” candidate, though he succeeded mainly in reducing the debate to chaos rather than making a case for his presidency.

Joe Biden kept his cool but struggled to make arguments in the face of Trump’s bullying. But unlike Trump, Biden did come across as a realistic politician and that I think will benefit him in the long run.

I believe that the debate had the potential to be an educational event, because it had clear rules, a good moderator and important questions about worthwhile issues, but it did still go terribly wrong.

Fruit Snacks
Boston, Massachusetts , US
Posts: 15

Presidential Debate

The debate had only begun for five minutes and I was already frustrated. Biden hadn’t even said a word and Trump was already interrupting. It was frustrating because people that support Trump and his values will find a way to validate his hostility. There’s a difference between speaking one’s mind and disrespect. In the beginning Biden was trying to keep his cool, but how long could he possibly have handled the rudeness. Personally I didn’t see Biden as any less or more of a person because of what he said to Trump. He was just trying to stand his ground because he’s not a pushover. I wish the debate would’ve been more civil because instead of hearing their goals it was like a middle schoolers roast session at the back of the class. To top it all off, they were both saying some illogical things. However I don’t think people really care how the candidates act unless they’re undecided because most people go into the debate with biased opinions. Another moment that stood out to me was the end when both candidates’ wives went up to greet them. Trump gave Melania a pat on the shoulder while Biden gave his wife a whole hug. That moment just goes to show the kind of people each are. The debate was entertaining but for the wrong reasons.



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