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Strawberry222
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What does Discrimination Really Mean?

The question of whether we must discriminate depends on our definition of discrimination. The term “discriminate” has two meanings, the first being “to treat a person or particular group of people differently and especially unfairly in a way that is worse than the way that people are usually treated. The second definition is “to be able to see the difference between two things or types of people.” I think that if we think in terms of the second definition of discrimination, we must discriminate. It is impossible for us to look at someone or something without making our own evaluations based on that person or thing, forcing us to judge them and draw our own conclusions. This is not necessarily a negative connotation. For example, it would be as simple as making interpretations about an individual based on what kind of clothes they are wearing. We observe and make decisions based on what we see. Like Daisies1 said, judgement is part of human nature. We are always going to perceive differences, especially in other people. We all originate from different backgrounds, associate with different people, and live different lives, so it is inevitable that we are going to notice differences in another person’s way of life, that is not traditional to our own customs. Like Sheena Lyengar said in her Ted Talk, people from different places around the world respond to choices in different ways. Therefore, we are all accustomed to making different choices. However, it is not necessary for us to think in terms of the first definition of discrimination. It is not necessary for us to treat someone unfairly because they are different from us. If we are not solely perceiving someone differently, but also going out of our way to treat them as less than us because they do something differently, then discrimination is unacceptable. However, judgement is something that we cannot live without. It helps us to make choices that are best for us, allowing us to live our best lives. Without the freedom of choice, we would all be living the same life. Choice helps us to branch out from each other and establish our own freedoms.

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yellow and red
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Is Judgement and Choices Necessary?

Discrimination, judgement, and choice are human nature. We are born being able to judge and choose what we want in various situations. However it is the environment in which you are brought up that dictates whether you are allowed to make specific decisions or not. In the TED Talk by Sheena Iyengar, she brings up the example of America versus Eastern Europe. In many cases, the people who were born and raised in America, they had a broader understanding of choice. In America, we are given the choice to pursue whatever we want, despite how trivial it is; just like the soda example. When presented with seven different soda brands, the Americans each considered the different brands of soda separate choices. However, when people from communist backgrounds were asked the same question, they only considered the situation two different choices. Drinking the soda and not drinking the soda was a different choice. Theoretically this means that with more choice, comes more discrimination.


Now this is very apparent with the activities we did in class as well. All of us were presented with five different green peppers and were told to choose the one we liked the most. We all discriminated against the other four peppers we didn’t choose, but this was not necessarily a bad thing. We were simply told to choose, and for whatever reason we decided on, we found one to stand above the others. However that reason didn’t mean that the other peppers were not great in their own ways; we just preferred this one over the others. The impact of this judgement itself was minor, but the collaborative amount of judgement that one makes in a day controls the course of their life in the present, and how they go about that will affect their future.


So that leads me to believe that discrimination and choices are necessary for human beings as a whole. It is an aspect that makes us human. If we were not given choice and free will, we would just be puppets with no purpose in life. However discrimination becomes an issue when people star to develop a “Them verus Us” mindset. We often find comfort in people that are similar to us because they share experiences with us. However when you create stereotypes and misconceptions against people because they are different. They start to feel threatened because the other party doesn’t share the same mindset and rational as themselves, and so they start seeing them as enemies.

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Belvador
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How Discrimination Affect Our Choices

As humans, we judge everything on a daily basis. Judging can determine if something is good or bad, and determine if we need to take actions that can benefit us and the people around us. I agree with @MunchScream, how discrimination is crucial to our lives because it allows us to make important decisions. However, due to the past history of human behaviors, we were taught that discrimination is a bad thing because this word is widely used to describe racial injustice. Judging something leads to choice making, we make choices everyday in our lives, including the type of clothes to wear, the food we eat, and the people we want to hang out with after school. While in the process of making choices, people were often faced with conflicts and they require the process of discrimination to guide them through the process. According to Iyengar in the TED Talk, she describes how people usually would make choices that are favorable to them, and when they do that, they tend to perform better in their tasks. Discrimination is a very important instinct that guides us through our everyday life and making sure we are making decisions that are good for us. For example, people will definitely throw away food that had gone bad. Why? Well, because we judged the food by its foul smell and established that we will get sick if we proceed to eating it. We judge people based on their looks, we create an image in our mind according to the person’s look and behavior, and determine what kind of person they are, whether the person is friendly/approachable, or someone that might pose potential threats to us. The world will not be at this state without discrimination. People will not be able to choose what they like to do and specialize in that field to provide the best outcome to contribute to the society. We just need to have a clear understanding of the difference between the harmful and the beneficial judgements.

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Sleepy
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Choices and Identity

I believe that it is impossible to live in a world with no discrimination or judgement. Choice and identity seem to go hand in hand, so the only way to eliminate choice is to eliminate identity. This is backed up by Iyengar’s studies of the choices of people who lived in former communist states vs. those who did not. A core ideology of communism is a shared identity and opinions, therefore, the former communists made less choices when studied.

A world without judgement or discrimination is not one that we should strive for. To have preference is a vital part of being human, it tells us what pepper to buy or what field to pursue a career in, and ultimately it forms our identity. Attempting to eliminate all judgement because racial, gender, or other forms of harmful descrimination would be throwing the baby out with the bath water. Instead, we must educate and inform.


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Sleepy
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Originally posted by MunchScream on October 06, 2019 12:26

Not only is discrimination inevitable, it is necessary. It is human nature to judge things based off of appearance because, at its root, discrimination is an evaluation of safety. We look at things all of the time and (subconsciously or consciously) make a decision about how something will affect us. If it were not for the negative connotation of the word, “discrimination” would be used more freely in the sense of making a choice. However, the word has become ugly, describing the actions of racists and homophobes. If you saw a tall, muscular man walk out of the woods at night wielding a blood-stained machete and wearing a ski mask, you would run. That was a decision you made that made you realize that you are in extreme danger. Honestly, anyone would back you up. No one would say, “how did you know that you were in danger?” That was a discriminatory choice where you had to decide if you were in danger or not. You chose the more negative result and decided that yes, you were. However, I am not saying that discriminating all of the time is good. Judging someone based off of something they cannot control and seeing them in a negative light without even interacting with them is not a time to discriminate against them. Society cannot function when people judge against each other based off of little evidence. The only way that a society can move together is if people worked together. If we all decided that we should help each other and worked to like each other, a society can move forward. We can judge on who would be a good leader, which laws should be passed, and how to address danger. The world cannot survive without judgement, but it can survive without prejudice.

I really like the example of the murder coming out of the woods, as it shows an act of discrimination that we as a society agree is acceptable. It's really interesting how we draw that line.

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shamrock5507
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Choice is “ an act of making or selecting a decision when faced with two or more possibilities”. For us choice is inevitable. Everyday we make hundreds of choices, subconsciously and consciously. I don’t think that there could be a functioning society without having some aspect of choice. We have to discriminate against things/ people. When we decide on who we want to be friends with we judge people and choose whose personality we like. Even when we choose what we want to eat we’re making a choice. I don’t think choices in general are bad. Having the ability to choose let’s us have self expression. I think that the choices that some people make can be bad or good depending on the situation. In Iyengars ted talk she says “choice is just as much about who Americans are as it is what the product is.” I think that this quote is important because choice goes beyond what you’re choosing to the person making the choice. With choice comes self expression. Without choice in our life we would have no way to express ourselves. We choose what we wear, how we act, and many other things. If there is no choice then there is no selfhoo

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ihop513
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Harmful Decision Making

Throughout our lives we have to make a lot of decisions; some life changing, others seemingly unimportant. Every morning we choose what clothes we want to wear, putting the clothes we don’t like aside. This type of decision making is harmless and often necessary. In this scenario we are subconsciously judging our clothes whilst choosing what to wear. The point where decision making becomes harmful and toxic is when the decisions you make attack someone’s being. By this I mean their race, culture, religion, and other things along those lines. When someone looks at two people and decides one is better than the other because of something like skin color that crosses the thin line which is innocent decision making and discriminatory decision making. Saying that all decision making is harmful and bad wouldn’t be fair. There are some decisions that have to be made. Like when an employer interviews 10 different possible employees. If said employer chooses someone based off their skills and how much they would contribute to their team then that is fine. Now if the employer chose someone based on their skin color or beliefs then that would be an example of discriminatory decision making. The employer has to choose someone no matter what but how they come to their decision is what determines whether or not they are discriminating. The question of whether or not there could be a world without judgement or descrimination is a tough one to answer. First, you have to acknowledge the difference between judgement and discrimination. Although both are harmful they are very different. A judge uses judgement when reaching a verdict in a case; so does the jury. There are types of judgement that at times are necessary. Judgement becomes toxic when one uses it against someone; like when you judge someone based on their looks or how they dress. Descrimination is almost always used to describe a situation where one person is using someone’s race, gender, sexuality, religion, etc against them; like making vulgar comments about someone because of the color of their skin. Although I would love a world with no descrimination or harmful judgement that’s not very plausible seeing the types of people on earth today. People like the thousands that attended the protest in Charlottesville.
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yellow and red
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Originally posted by proxy503 on October 07, 2019 17:57

I think that judgement and discrimination must happen in order for a society to work out. Not everyone does the same thing, wears the same thing, nor thinks the same thing. That is discrimination and judgement. Often, this happens because its what we believe is better for us on the long run. It usually has all to do with your preference. It could be that you prefer to talk a language more than another and that itself is also discrimination.

Like we did in class on Friday, we all have different preferences. Some of us chose the pepper that we did because of the shape of it. Others chose other peppers because they felt they were better for eating than the rest of the peppers. And then there were also people who chose their because that one pepper had a slightly stronger smell than the rest and so they decided that they preferred that one and that it was the best one out of the five of them.

There is no white or black in this. For somethings, we discriminate for the well being of us and to choose what we think is better for us. Others times, we discriminate because we believe, for instance, that our race or ethnicity or whatever, is "better" than the rest. But how can you say that your race/ethnicity is better than others? What makes it better? Doesn't everyone think that so theres really no point in saying that because there is no one race/ethnicity that is better than the rest. Theyre good and bad in their own ways and its impossible to compare them.

We use discrimination and judgement for many reasons, some are bad but some are good and we can not live in a society where there is none.

As @proxy503 says in their post “... there is no white or black in this.” Each difference we have marks us a different color. Some colors may be very similar; just a different shade, or some may be on the other end of the color spectrum, but we all have preferences of colors we use. However by no means should we put down certain colors because we ourselves don’t like it, nor should we pit the different colors against each other. That is the environment where “We versus Them” mindset thrives. We must accept that there isn’t a superior race/ethnicity and embrace the differences that make them up

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ihop513
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Originally posted by MunchScream on October 06, 2019 12:26

Not only is discrimination inevitable, it is necessary. It is human nature to judge things based off of appearance because, at its root, discrimination is an evaluation of safety. We look at things all of the time and (subconsciously or consciously) make a decision about how something will affect us. If it were not for the negative connotation of the word, “discrimination” would be used more freely in the sense of making a choice. However, the word has become ugly, describing the actions of racists and homophobes. If you saw a tall, muscular man walk out of the woods at night wielding a blood-stained machete and wearing a ski mask, you would run. That was a decision you made that made you realize that you are in extreme danger. Honestly, anyone would back you up. No one would say, “how did you know that you were in danger?” That was a discriminatory choice where you had to decide if you were in danger or not. You chose the more negative result and decided that yes, you were. However, I am not saying that discriminating all of the time is good. Judging someone based off of something they cannot control and seeing them in a negative light without even interacting with them is not a time to discriminate against them. Society cannot function when people judge against each other based off of little evidence. The only way that a society can move together is if people worked together. If we all decided that we should help each other and worked to like each other, a society can move forward. We can judge on who would be a good leader, which laws should be passed, and how to address danger. The world cannot survive without judgement, but it can survive without prejudice.

I agree with MunchScream. The word discrimination is most of the time used to describe racists and homophobes but in reality the word can be used to describe any decision you make on a day to day basis. I also like how they point out how not all decision making is bad. Some decisions you make can me life changing or just mundane. We just have to be aware of how ours actions can offend or hurt others

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yellow and red
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Originally posted by foooot on October 07, 2019 18:41

Judgement and discrimination are a human instinct, and can be benificial in most cases, unless the individual who is making the judgements is uneducated. The word discrimination connotates a racist or homophobic meaning, however human beings peacefully discriminate every day, as a part of making a choice. Although, in order for the discrimination to be peaceful the person who is making the decisions needs to understand that everyone is equally. They need to understand that stereotypes are not always true, and judging someone by their race or gender identity is unjust and cruel.

Discrimination is part of making a choice, and theyre is absolutely nothing wrong with making a choice, whether it be based on personal preference or provided facts. Choices are made by everyone everyday as a part of life. However, we have to keep in mind that the choices we make always have an impact on other people, so we have to be careful that our choices do not directly or indirectly harm anyone. People do exist who truly believe that one race is superior to another race and they, like everyone else, make choices every day that have significant impacts on their community; but these people do not prove that we need to get rid of all choices for everyone, they prove that we as a society need to better educate our people. It is a failure of America's school system that there are still people who adamantly believe that white people are superior, or that people should be medically treated based on the gender of the person that they love.

In her Ted Talk, Sheena Iyengar describes the choices we as Americans are so proud that we have. It makes us feel significantly superior to the other people across the world who aren’t given as many choices as us. Although when Iyengar interviewed people who had previously lived under a communist regime, they described the choices they were gives as “overwhelming” and “unnecessary”. These people were given choices and their lives were disrupted and confused, but they were able to survive. If we, as Americans and as always having the availability of choice, had our choices taken away from us, we as a country would certainly fall into a state of panic and fear. Without choice Americans would feel like their freedom was stolen and we lose our pride in “the land of the free, and the home of the brave.” Choices are fundamental to the survival of America, but to someone who has never been given choices their whole lives, they are simply an unnecessary luxury.

In @foooot ‘s post, this person says that, “If we, as Americans and as always having the availability of choice, had our choices taken away from us, we as a country would certainly fall into a state of panic and fear.” I find this quote to be really interesting because it definitely makes sense. If we were put in the position of those who grew up in an communist environment, similar to the ones Sheena Iyengar mentioned, we would feel trapped. It would be as if we were deprived of a right that we need to survive. Having choice and judgment is human instinct, but variety of choice is a luxury not everyone has

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ihop513
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Originally posted by yellow123 on October 07, 2019 19:05

Humans must discriminate in order to function as members of society. However there are extents to what judgment humans have. When we all started here at BLS, you had to judge your fellow classmates to see who you felt you would create a relationship with the most. You had to judge those in your classes based on their personalities, actions etc etc. This is an example of a choice we must make. In order to be functioning members of the BLS community it is important to make relationships with others that will be supported. However, this choice of who you choose to be friends with does not need to be based on the choice of race, gender, sexuality etc etc. This is just a small example in a large world issue of discrimination and belittlment of those who are minorities in our society. It is not required for us to judge people deeply. Yes, basic judgment is a part of human nature and has been passed down as a natural human trait from generations before. How a person judges though is very important.


Sheena Iyenger said in her TEDTalk that if a choice affects you, then you should be able to make it. I interpreted this as if one is to choose something that will affect their own life (and only their life) they can make this choice. But, if the choice you make directly affects the life of someone else, it is not wise to make this choice. This immediately made me think of the documentary we watched Documenting Hate: Charolletsville and the choices that many of these so called “white supremisists” and “neo-nazis” made didn’t make their lives any easier but allowed them to make others around them lives harder. The people these protesters attacked in the rallies; they never knew.


We must choose. What we choose is also very important. There are good choices, bad choices and choices in between. Along with this, there are different kinds of choices and severity that comes with different kinds of choices. Deciding not to study for a chemistry test and deciding to attack someone just because they are different from you are both bad choices, but they are not the same when it comes to the importance of the outcome. Society is built on choices. Laws placed in our constitution are based off choices our founding fathers made when creating our country in order to create the ideal country and the definition of being “free”. These laws are the basics of how our society functions and the basis on what is “right and wrong” in the US.

I like how Yellow123 talked about how decisions are a vital part of every day life but not all decisions have to be made based on gender, sexuality, race, etc. There will always be a time when we have to make a choice about something. It’s important that we think about our devious before we make them. Think about if you’re making these decisions for the right reasons

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oceanblue
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The Power of Choice

I looked up the definition of discrimination and this is what I found:

  1. the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.
  2. recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another

This in itself is very confusing because the definitions are different. But for this case lets use the second definition of discrimination.


As MunchScream explain, there is an obvious difference between discrimination and prejudce that society needs to become more aware of. Humans work through everything because of choices their given, who to talk to or what job to have. But prejudge is when the decisions are affected by facts that are not true or stereotypes. If we continue to live in a world that pushes out the idea that people can not favor something over the other, we will get into the habit of neural thinking that will not help new discovery and individuality. In regards to the video, as much as she brings up a good point, I think it was hard to agree at all times, mainly because of the mentality I was brought up by. As a teenager, we strive for more choice and more freedom to pick things we like to do. I understand Sheena Iyenger’s point but whether we listen to ourselves or other people, someone is still making a choice.. so maybe it best if we make our own.


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Otterthingz
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What’s the Choice?

Choice is a complex topic that is constantly in our everyday lives. More so in America than other countries according to Iyengar. One of the big assumptions is that we stay true to our choice which is what we did in the peppers in class. However, we all had a reason to pick the ones we did based on personal influences and on other interests based on past experiences. Making choices is based on influences and the society/culture as Iyengar mentioned, in her study Asians were influenced by their parents choices because that’s how their culture is, and in Russia they see all varieties as one choice because that’s how their society is. People judging and making choices is all based on influences. Iyengar also mentioned that with many options, differences, and variations we usually are more likely to be making the wrong or negative option. That’s where I believe America has a hard time with discrimination because of its great diversity and large marketing and past influences. We are presented with many different people wearing all different things with all different personalities and backgrounds, and we all make choices between who we want to work with based on interaction, societal expectations, and personal bias whether we realize it or not. One interesting things is how some countries with limited choices truly don’t mind but we, Americans, are influenced to heavily to make our own. The study about the decision of removing a child from life support really amazed me and realized how heavy society plays a role in thisIn America we also have people of all different backgrounds, with all different choice making influences and choice making methods. As humans we cannot avoid making choices nor change personal preferences. However, we can try to change our societies norm for choice making methods but even then our own personal choices will precede and drive others to do the same. There is good and bad to it. The good is free speech but the bad is stereotyping and different types of discrimination. The truth is we really can’t live without making choices because it is who we are as humans and I believe that the development of choice/decision making methods and influences can change and evolve but essentially there is no such things as the perfect world but it can definitely still be improved.
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ahaha633
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What is necessary for society to function?

The role of judgement in life is essential: it is a vital component that allows us to discern between right and wrong, safety and danger, and allows for preference to occur. However, this judgement has its limits. You may employ judgement while choosing the “best” pepper, but you can’t place the value of a human life, for example, under judgement. Doing so is usually a result of prejudice, such as in white supremacist groups, which claim that the white race is superior; this goes against morality as a whole, since race is simply a social construct and you can’t “prefer” one race over another. Being biased isn’t the same as using judgement. As said by MunchScream, you can choose to run away from a suspicious individual who presents clear danger; someone is dangerous because they are physically carrying a weapon or something of the sort, not because they have a different skin color as you. (Good) judgement allows you to keep yourself safe when a man with a gun is running towards you, but bias makes you cross the street when you see a black person minding their business or simply existing in your proximity.

To function, society must choose and use good judgement to improve. Despite its negative connotation, society must discriminate between the good and the bad. Though, there is a difference between choice and preference. As Sheena Iyenger mentions in her TED talk, when certain subjects were offered a variety of 7 sodas, they only saw 2 choices: soda or no soda. Since choosing between the sodas neither benefited nor disadvantaged them or society, there was no room for preference. Coming from communist societies, they functioned without a need for preference, so they simply ruled that possibility out.

Though society may be able to persist without a need for personal preference or bias, it cannot exist without judgement. We rely on judgement, though to make decisions to benefit ourselves and others; however, some people use prejudice under the name of judgement to convey their hateful and hurtful opinions, as is the situation with racists, homophobes, and other groups with toxic mentalities.

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FireGushers
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Discriminating for Choices

I believe that discrimination is something that our world in a way needs. There’s really no way to stop judgment or discrimination, it’s something that just happens because of human nature. With discriminating things, we differentiate what’s different and what makes certain things special or unique. We make these choices based on our personal preferences and based on what is most beneficial for us. This was explained more when Sheena Iyenger said that we made choices if they affected us. If we didn’t discriminate things based on what we thought was special, nothing would be special at all in this world. There wouldn’t be anything unique as you wouldn’t be judging what made certain aspects stand out. I feel like discriminating can be good or bad. Usually, when people hear the word discrimination, they think of the bad kind but they don’t realize that are smaller and less noticeable acts of discrimination that we ourselves commit. I feel like choices are just things we just need to make. There are good choices, bad choices, and in-between choices. Discriminating is part of the process we make when making choices. I believe that making choices is something we need in order to function in a society but we have to make sure we know that there is a fine line in how we discriminate when making these choices. I really agree with what MunchScream and Bostonian that while making choices and judgments are necessary, prejudice is something that we don’t need.

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